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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2021, 12:55:55 PM » |
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As far as firing the players is concerned I’m not sure whether a squad meeting to explain themselves would be better. There will be black players in the squad and a properly controlled meeting may enlighten/ educate them. Just a thought. Just stupid kids giving it large in private
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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2021, 02:25:00 PM » |
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I see where you're coming from. I just think 'squad meetings' for players could mean kicked out at one club - slap on the wrist at another for the same offense. So I'm not keen on a club 'voting system'. for players.
First offenders only.
Me I would go 18 or under - Benefit of the doubt Education program - may be a short ban away from the place.
18 or over players/supporters - straight ban- let's say 5 or 10 years. Let the authorities decide the length of the ban.
Any second offense lifetime ban from football/playing both for players and supporters.....
I very much doubt however football will dare put a lifetime ban in place for players for fear one of the big clubs 'crown jewels' gets himself in a bit of racist trouble at any point.
For example 'some' players go on the 'nonce' so what's to say they don't chat racist shit out of earshot...
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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2021, 02:54:15 PM » |
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Why would you want to treat racist abuse differently from any other form of abuse?
Harry Kane received more abuse than any black player. Why would you ignore the abuse received by one human being whilst banning those insulting other human beings?
Grading abuse just causes more resentment and division.
Why do it?
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2021, 03:49:56 PM » |
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2021, 04:10:40 AM » |
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Why would you want to treat racist abuse differently from any other form of abuse?
Harry Kane received more abuse than any black player. Why would you ignore the abuse received by one human being whilst banning those insulting other human beings?
Grading abuse just causes more resentment and division.
Why do it?
Because it is different 'vbl' abuse is not the same as 'racial' abuse.....Both are abuse though. In the same way, 'physical' abuse (punch in the face for example) is not the same as 'sexual abuse (Rape for example)....Both are abuse though. I can't really comment on the Harry Kane incident you mention not been aware of any incident publicly that i can think of...Maybe like I've done in my first post you could break it all down and give us some idea of what punishment should be meted out for Kanes incident you mention. if for example, you were to call me a shit footballer, wanker etc all the swear words under the sun.....I would just laugh it off but that's just me. If I was none white and you were calling me a nigger or tree swinger or other racial slurs then I would say you are out of order and are using racial insults... What I was trying to get at in my first post is should those young footballers be punished with the same lifetime ban that another group are campaigning for against supporters who spit racial abuse from let's say the terraces. I don't think they should nor should any supporter for a first offence IMO. |
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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2021, 09:14:59 AM » |
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My point remains that abuse is abuse. Written abuse is written abuse. Verbal abuse is verbal abuse. However, as you say, physical abuse is different to sexual abuse (although this is moot because both can be defined as an expression of power)
What you should be asking yourself is why some forms of abuse are expected to be laughed off yet others are taboo. All abuse is intended to offend however all targets of the offence can choose to be offended or not.
btw have no idea what 'vbl' means. Visible bra line?
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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2021, 09:43:36 AM » |
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So why does the abuse need to be graded?
A white or asian person calling someone a 'Black Cunt' or a black or asian person calling someone a 'White Cunt' is equally offensive because the both contain a colour conjoined to 'cunt'... unless,of course, you see being black as worse than being white?
My point re Kane is that he received the MOST abuse but his abuse didn't receive the same outrage as that receive by black players. Is he less worthy of our sympathy?
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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2021, 04:20:11 AM » |
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So why does the abuse need to be graded?
A white or asian person calling someone a 'Black Cunt' or a black or asian person calling someone a 'White Cunt' is equally offensive because the both contain a colour conjoined to 'cunt'... unless,of course, you see being black as worse than being white?
My point re Kane is that he received the MOST abuse but his abuse didn't receive the same outrage as that receive by black players. Is he less worthy of our sympathy?
You had better ask someone more qualified than me as to why it is... They will tell you the difference in types of abuse and why they are graded for punishment purposes much better than I can. We agree racial abuse is not acceptable to human mankind regardless of skincolour . I still can't comment on the Kane incident until you make yourself a bit more clear about any said incident ... So I am going to have to pass on that one for now. Out of interest whats, your thoughts on my first post should those young lads/players receive a lifetime ban in the same way the other group are wanting all football supporters involved in racial incidents banned for. life. Try not to make your answer too complicated i am simple man so a yes or no would be suffice. |
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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2021, 09:38:02 AM » |
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All verbal abuse should be punished equally. If it's racial abuse it shouldn't matter if it's white on black or black on white. Should it?
Obviously physical or sexual abuse are more serious crimes.
It was widely reported that Kane received more abuse than the black players
Re your OP... I think a lifetime ban for written abuse would be very harsh however I do think that all written abuse should be treated equally.
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2021, 06:45:12 PM » |
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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2021, 07:05:09 PM » |
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They obviously do see it as an issue, that's why they use it to abuse. Just like any other form of abuse.
If I call you a fat/skinny bastard I'm trying to abuse you thinking that your weight is an issue to you, so therefore it's an issue to me.
If you're weight isn't an issue to you then you won't be offended and my abuse loses it's clout.
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2021, 07:14:17 PM » |
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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2021, 07:15:25 PM » |
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You think black footballers dislike racist abuse because they don’t like being black?? Wtf  |
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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2021, 07:20:18 PM » |
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And that’s the same as calling someone a fat/skinny black cunt. Ok. Have you been called a white fat cunt All verbal abuse is intended to offend regardless of the content |
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« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2021, 07:22:02 PM » |
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You think black footballers dislike racist abuse because they don’t like being black?? Wtf Weird |
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« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2021, 07:23:05 PM » |
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Do you think Harry Kane got abuse because of his skin colour?
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« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2021, 08:04:33 PM » |
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Why is that relevant? He received MOST abuse.
Why do you want to demarcate the abuse? Why do you want to diminish his suffering and amplify the suffering of someone else simply because of their skin colour?
You know what 'racism' is, don't you?
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« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2021, 08:10:26 PM » |
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Someone doesn’t. Just be honest with yourself and say they are whinging over fuck all. It will save all this bollocks |
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« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2021, 08:15:09 PM » |
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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2021, 08:18:40 PM » |
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The people who use race and colour to abuse can’t be reasoned with because they don’t see it as an issue. I might have a point  |
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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2021, 10:00:25 PM » |
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Someone doesn’t. Just be honest with yourself and say they are whinging over fuck all. It will save all this bollocks Just be honest with yourself. You think abuse received by black people should be take priority over abuse received by white people. Treating people differently because of skin colour is what racism is. It's also divisive and ultimately helps no-one. |
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« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2021, 10:06:35 PM » |
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Stop biting to the daft racist, Robbso Yes, treating people equally is so racist |
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« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2021, 04:48:39 AM » |
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Stop biting to the daft racist, Robbso Yes, treating people equally is so racist Apparently... |
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« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2021, 06:20:07 AM » |
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Someone doesn’t. Just be honest with yourself and say they are whinging over fuck all. It will save all this bollocks Just be honest with yourself. You think abuse received by black people should be take priority over abuse received by white people. Treating people differently because of skin colour is what racism is. It's also divisive and ultimately helps no-one. Fucking hell  |
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« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2021, 09:21:57 AM » |
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I see you're reached the end of your intellect.
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« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2021, 10:23:44 AM » |
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No, I stand by my first comment on this topic!!
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« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2021, 01:09:37 PM » |
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Which sort of proves my point.
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« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2021, 04:53:58 PM » |
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What point, that you think calling someone a fat cunt is the same as calling someone a black cunt?
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« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2021, 05:09:48 PM » |
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« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2021, 09:29:47 PM » |
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I think it's all a bit beyond you, hence the emojis.
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« Reply #33 on: August 04, 2021, 09:18:46 AM » |
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You mean like death threats?
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« Reply #34 on: August 04, 2021, 09:54:18 AM » |
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You mean like death threats?
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« Reply #35 on: August 04, 2021, 11:12:39 AM » |
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« Reply #36 on: August 04, 2021, 02:21:28 PM » |
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You mean like death threats?
Yes, and other things. So glad we agree that not only racist abuse needs addressing. |
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« Reply #37 on: August 04, 2021, 02:31:44 PM » |
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You mean like death threats?
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« Reply #38 on: August 04, 2021, 06:50:49 PM » |
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Just be honest with yourself. You think abuse received by black people should be take priority over abuse received by white people. You should learn how to structure a sentence correctly before questioning someone’s intellect |
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« Reply #40 on: August 05, 2021, 09:20:33 AM » |
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Just be honest with yourself. You think abuse received by black people should be take priority over abuse received by white people. You should learn how to structure a sentence correctly before questioning someone’s intellect You should learn about sentence structure before commenting on sentence structure. I do however understand why you want to deflect from the topic at hand. |
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« Reply #41 on: August 05, 2021, 09:24:06 AM » |
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"WE STILL NEED TO TACKLE THE RACISM PROBLEM......."
We still need to sort out the online abuse, death threat and racism problem.
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« Reply #42 on: August 05, 2021, 09:40:53 AM » |
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"WE STILL NEED TO TACKLE THE RACISM PROBLEM......."
We still need to sort out the online abuse, death threat and racism problem.
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« Reply #43 on: August 05, 2021, 09:41:33 AM » |
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"WE STILL NEED TO TACKLE THE RACISM PROBLEM......."
We still need to sort out the online abuse, death threat and racism problem.
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« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2021, 11:05:18 AM » |
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« Reply #45 on: August 05, 2021, 02:13:49 PM » |
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You should give it a try before giving up.
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