Somenody doesnt understand how international banking works.

You know the protests are about raising the French retirement age from 62 to 64. Ours is already 68. So France have things better than us, and they're fighting to keep it that way. We just accept the continuing erosion of our rights like the saps we are.

Its mad to think that vaccinated people are still dying. I distinctly remember the government and the scientists saying the vaccine would grant you immortality

It opens up a wonderful opportunity for either a brown, lesbian feminist or a activist with a very loud laugh.

#DefundTheBBC

Oh, that would be funny. Give it to Gareth Crooks or Gary Neville, that would be great craic by the BBC

Lineker should be allowed to say what he wants but we shouldn't have to pay for it.

#DefundTheBBC

The BBC doesnt pay him for his personal tweets, they dont cost license payers a penny. He gets paid by the BBC for being a Sports presenter and he is pretty much the best in the business.

We are mandated to pay for The BBC which is governed by a Charter stipulating balance and impartiality so either:

a, We stop being legally required to pay for it.
b, Lineker stops using his publicly funded status to push his hateful dogma.
or
c, The BBC provide us with equivalent voices with an opposing opinion.

Your opinion on his quality of product is subjective and, unlike the BBC, other opinions are equally valid.

Lineker made a tweet from his personal account. As a freelance sports presenter he is not governed by any BBC impartiality rules

He doesn't rely on being publicly funded. He is very wealthy and contracts his presentation skills to number of commercial media organisations here and overseas.

The BBC has a number of employees who tweet polar opposite views to Lineker. Andrew Neil as I mentioned, Alan Sugar is another one . People should be getting much more upset about Neil as he was interviewing politicians, surely his impartiality is imperative but he is clearly of the right.

Linekers opinions do not compromise his work in anyway so it shouldnt be an issue.

His output is on the BBC and the BBC's output is governed by the impartiality Charter. If I was a contractor for Middlesbrough Council I'd still be covered by their terms of governance. If I shouted racist abuse at someone whist contracting for MBC I'd expect to be sacked.

Whether he's rich or not is irrelevant. His output is still publicly funded.

Andrew Neil is the perfect example. His perceived opinions (whatever they are) didn't dovetail with the BBC's so, unlike Lineker, he doesn't work there any more. His opinions didn't compromise his work hence politicians of all hues avoided contact with him (esp Boris Johnson). Its only an issue to the very thin skinned identitarians and Marxists who get super triggered by celebrities who don't agree with them.

His twitter account is not publicly funded. His twitter account is not BBC output.

Suncontractors to Middlesbrough Council 100% do not have the same terms as MBC

His BBC output is publicly funded,  his twitter account isn't publicly funded, nor are the outputs from his film company or his work on La liga.

I liked Andrew Neil but he is a lifelong tory and spent all his career at the heart of publications trashing labour and cheerleading thhe conservatives. He was still editing the spectator when working on BBC shows.  Right wingers can't see the problem with that, but a sports presenter makes a fairly benign tweet and all of a sudden they are outraged by impartiality...of a sports presenter

Just shows how the BBC is now in full capitulation to the right wing press and the major tory donors now installed in its senior positions. Pathetic decision, they needed to show the same balls Lineker did and tell the people confecting this as news to get a life

Lineker should be allowed to say what he wants but we shouldn't have to pay for it.

#DefundTheBBC

The BBC doesnt pay him for his personal tweets, they dont cost license payers a penny. He gets paid by the BBC for being a Sports presenter and he is pretty much the best in the business.

We are mandated to pay for The BBC which is governed by a Charter stipulating balance and impartiality so either:

a, We stop being legally required to pay for it.
b, Lineker stops using his publicly funded status to push his hateful dogma.
or
c, The BBC provide us with equivalent voices with an opposing opinion.

Your opinion on his quality of product is subjective and, unlike the BBC, other opinions are equally valid.

Lineker made a tweet from his personal account. As a freelance sports presenter he is not governed by any BBC impartiality rules

He doesn't rely on being publicly funded. He is very wealthy and contracts his presentation skills to number of commercial media organisations here and overseas.

The BBC has a number of employees who tweet polar opposite views to Lineker. Andrew Neil as I mentioned, Alan Sugar is another one . People should be getting much more upset about Neil as he was interviewing politicians, surely his impartiality is imperative but he is clearly of the right.

Linekers opinions do not compromise his work in anyway so it shouldnt be an issue. Its only an issue to the very thin skinned right who get super triggered by celebrities who dont agree with them.

Lineker should be allowed to say what he wants but we shouldn't have to pay for it.

#DefundTheBBC

The BBC doesnt pay him for his personal tweets, they dont cost license payers a penny. He gets paid by the BBC for being a Sports presenter and he is pretty much the best in the business.

Lineker needs to be disciplined by the BBC .
He is using his position to constantly make political points and making suggestions that comparing the current uk to nazi Germany is outrageous.

All of these people, including posters on here, just want to ignore the criminality and tragic loss of life for those making these crossings, plus the fact that it is mostly young men who have no form of ID.     

Im afraid guys, you are in a tiny minority and the vast majority of people want this problem sorting out.

Lineker properly triggers the dail mail and its pearl clutching readers. He has done nothing to be disciplined for. As a sports presenters he is not subject to any impartiality gags. He made a fairly mundane statement which might be a bit of a stretch but he might also have had some point. Either way it wasnt particularly offensive or outlandish, and he is free to have that opinion.

Andrew Neil worked in the BBC for years in the news and politics dept while promoting right wing politics on his twitter feed. None of these snowflakes who get so agitated by lineker seem bothered by that. Fair play to Lineker this morning, no fucks given and laughing at the baying mob

The gift that keeps on giving.

100 million is a ridiculous scare mongering figure and a completely absurd one to use. I think she even said potentially billions could come here FFS.

Definitely Rolls Royce football we are experiencing at the moment. Hopefully we can stay injury free and press them to the end but if i was another team you wouldn't want to meet boro in the play offs

I think people and most importantly his own party are seeing him for what he was, a complete incompetent who should never have been anywhere near the top job. A few oddballs like Rees Mogg will be forever loyal but he's yesterdays man. That "fantastic oven baked Brexit deal" was a shower of shite unworkable for the UK. Rishi has just cleared up his shite as best he can and its killing Bojo that his incomptence has been so exposed.

As for he partygate thing he is using the Trump playbook and denying reality. Hes gone from saying he is humbled by the report, he was sorry for his mistakes and and that Gray was fair to now saying it was a bogus witch hunt. He never resigned because of partygate, he resigned because he gave a job to a person he knew was a sex pest, then lied about it and made mugs of his colleagues by sending them out to repeat the lie thus sparking mass resignations

Im hoping Sunak is a return to sensible politics and the end of the likes of Johnston and Truss. Seems to be going that way

Jack 'Jihadi Jack' Letts was stripped of his British citizenship in 2019 without trial so it's not setting a precedent.

What crimes did she commit in this country which we could try her for?

It' 'baying' rather than 'braying', that's what donkeys do.

You're still a racist.

To be fair that wasn't a precedent for leaving someone stateless as Jack Letts also had Canadian citizenship and Canada said they would not strip him of it.

"Woke Judiciary" 🤣

GB news bingo!

Why haven’t the French returned all these so called asylum seekers back to their first country of entry then? Surely that means Greece or Italy in the vast majority of cases. Rather strange don’t you think when there is a mechanism for doing so. It’s NOT working.

Maybe they are just a bit more enlightened about it than us. I think Germany takes 10 times more ayslum seekers than we do, the French accept 3 times more. They really dont fret about it like we so though. There is no law that says asylum seekers have to seek asylum in their first safe country but as Henry highlights there was very clearly a mechanism to do so in the EU under the Dublin agreement, We lost that privilege when we Brexited. Another Brexit benefit 

Well that came from a clear blue sky. Bit random.

Something doesnt feel right about having 2 Haydens in the team.

I think the Sovereignty issue is a bogus argument whipped up by Brexit supporting media. Look at the countries in the EU. You wont find a more fiercely proud and awkwardly independent nation France.  Croatia and Netherlands s well are really strong and proud patriots. They don't see the EU membership as a threat to sovereignty.


If you join a club or a trade alliance you have to have some alignment of rules so that members cant go rogue and try and stiff other members. That will also apply to any trade deals we seal outside of the EU, there will be some insistence on synchronised standards. The vast majority of these laws, these horrendous impositions on our sovereignty are actually benign regulations relating to workplaces, weights and measures. health and safety.  The UK had a seat at the table in forming these rules, a very influential seat, they were rules we wanted so its a misrepresentation to say they were imposed on us, we wanted them we created them. You think that now we are outside of the EU we are going allow scaffolding made of bamboo or force people to work 16 hour shifts every day.  In many cases its the way the UK enacts EU Guidance is the issue, you only have to walk past a Spanish building site to see how different countries can differently interpret and enforce EU guidance documents.

Its like the ECHR which the EU gets blamed for even though it isn't an EU convention, it was pretty much drafted by UK lawyers and based on the English bill of Rights but we are now encouraged to see it as an alien imposition by the bullying EU which prevents our government from stripping us off long established freedoms and liberties


We don't have that seat at the table of the most powerful trading block in the world so we will have less influence, rather than increasing sovereignty we will find ourselves having to give more away as we try and deal with more powerful countries and trading blocks

Most people knew Brexit would affect us hard economically, even the governments own forecasts was predicting it would make the country 3 to 4 % poorer. Only a few fanatics like Boris and Nigel were outlandish enough to predict sunny uplands. I think the economic indicators are clear that Brexit has hurt Britain and ill continue to hurt us. Brexiteers wont accept that, they will say say our current woes are Covid and Ukraine related but the other G7 and EU countries have had all that as well yet they are bouncing back we are not.

I'm not for re-joining at the moment, couldn't be bothered with splitting the country and all that divisiveness again but I said when we left that in 10 to 20 years we will be begging to re-join and we will be a much poorer and  diminished nation, and that we will re-join forgoing the privileges we had like being able to stay out of the Euro. I remain convinced that will still happen. When we voted for Brexit we were the 4th strongest economy of the G7. Brexit will see us slide down that table with France overtaking us very soon and then maybe even Italy which was regarded as a basket case. As that happens and there is a mass realisation that things were better as they were there will be another referendum or re-joining will go in the major parties manifestos

You still don’t get it do you? I voted Brexit ( and still will), solely on the principle of the sovereignty of the nation state. I want all the laws I have to follow,made by the people the British electorate put into power. I wasn’t bothered about any other argument. The EU overrides this principle. It is anti democratic. The E U parliament is a sham. Unelected and faceless bureaucrats run the EU and they are not accountable to me. The crap we currently have running this country are ultimately accountable to me and the rest of the electorate.

How do you feel about the House of Lords?

Will you Remainers never give up? We've had the biggest democratic vote in our history.  It's over we are not rejoining the dodgy and failing EU. Thanks to Brexit the UK was quick to step up to the plate regarding the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Left to the EU Russia would now be in control of Ukraine. An alliance of sovereign nations such as NATO was the only language Putin will understand. Otherwise his mates in the German Chancellery and Brussels would have just looked the other way.

What utter nonsense

I think the Sovereignty issue is a bogus argument whipped up by Brexit supporting media. Look at the countries in the EU. You wont find a more fiercely proud and awkwardly independent nation France.  Croatia and Netherlands s well are really strong and proud patriots. They don't see the EU membership as a threat to sovereignty.


If you join a club or a trade alliance you have to have some alignment of rules so that members cant go rogue and try and stiff other members. That will also apply to any trade deals we seal outside of the EU, there will be some insistence on synchronised standards. The vast majority of these laws, these horrendous impositions on our sovereignty are actually benign regulations relating to workplaces, weights and measures. health and safety.  The UK had a seat at the table in forming these rules, a very influential seat, they were rules we wanted so its a misrepresentation to say they were imposed on us, we wanted them we created them. You think that now we are outside of the EU we are going allow scaffolding made of bamboo or force people to work 16 hour shifts every day.  In many cases its the way the UK enacts EU Guidance is the issue, you only have to walk past a Spanish building site to see how different countries can differently interpret and enforce EU guidance documents.

Its like the ECHR which the EU gets blamed for even though it isn't an EU convention, it was pretty much drafted by UK lawyers and based on the English bill of Rights but we are now encouraged to see it as an alien imposition by the bullying EU which prevents our government from stripping us off long established freedoms and liberties


We don't have that seat at the table of the most powerful trading block in the world so we will have less influence, rather than increasing sovereignty we will find ourselves having to give more away as we try and deal with more powerful countries and trading blocks

Most people knew Brexit would affect us hard economically, even the governments own forecasts was predicting it would make the country 3 to 4 % poorer. Only a few fanatics like Boris and Nigel were outlandish enough to predict sunny uplands. I think the economic indicators are clear that Brexit has hurt Britain and ill continue to hurt us. Brexiteers wont accept that, they will say say our current woes are Covid and Ukraine related but the other G7 and EU countries have had all that as well yet they are bouncing back we are not.

I'm not for re-joining at the moment, couldn't be bothered with splitting the country and all that divisiveness again but I said when we left that in 10 to 20 years we will be begging to re-join and we will be a much poorer and  diminished nation, and that we will re-join forgoing the privileges we had like being able to stay out of the Euro. I remain convinced that will still happen. When we voted for Brexit we were the 4th strongest economy of the G7. Brexit will see us slide down that table with France overtaking us very soon and then maybe even Italy which was regarded as a basket case. As that happens and there is a mass realisation that things were better as they were there will be another referendum or re-joining will go in the major parties manifestos

I quite liked what Nigel Farage said last week, "Brexit has given us the sovereignty to make a mighty mess of things, and that is what we seem to be doing"

I would say no. I have cover for the family through work, once you have something they exclude that from your cover the next year! Plus you have to pay a ton excess every time you use it.

I dont really look anymore but it used to be the best used board, had the best range of topics, the best humour and best discourse. It was also the board that did the most to try and keep on top of unpleasant racist and misogynistic posts. All those things made it the most popular boro message board. All those things will remain true, get over it (big jack doffing cap smiley)

Watford now have assombalonga and Fletcher! Bit of a punt by them, looked like a spent force at Boro

Last few times I've been there i thought it was the best its been for yonks. They must spend more time on cooking than cleaning! Never worry too much about these ratings, apparently if the council did your house you would be lucky to get 2 stars.

Anyway, they are open tonight, no fucks given !

You must have been buzzing yesterday Bill. Been a while since you could flex about how shit we are.

There is definitely a rabbit away over Teesside Airport. It has cost taxpayers something like 70 million yet has hardly any flights, (an average of 15 flights a week, primarily 2 that run nigh on empty to Amsterdam and Belfast and then the North Sea Tiger flight to Aberdeen.

It is has a newly built cargo hub, built by a company with hardly any trading history, but to date I don't think any cargo business has gone through Teesside Airport?

Stobarts were gifted 25% of the operation, they didn't buy in, they were gifted it, yet they pulled out after 2 years. However reportedly if the airport ever gets sold Stobarts get a slice of that.

All seems very random. A bit like Ben Houchens Teesworks which Private Eye are now all over. Again land and contracts carved up and gifted to private developers close to Houchen. Then family's and mates of those developers get lucrative remediation and recycling contracts. Chas Long and TCC Plant have done brilliantly out of Teesworks. Amazing that TCC plant, a fledgeling company founded in just 2020, has been able to position itself so well to secure such valuable work 

Im going,  fear the worst though. Along with Barnsley its a ground i never seem to see us win at

About 4500 there i reckon

In fairness to Jones he's a victim of his own success from last season, most notably through his link up play with Crooks - who himself has rarely featured this season. When he isn't getting marked or hacked out of a game he still looks to move the ball into the box only to find theres sometimes no one there to receive it so tends to check inside, thus losing momentum. On the plus side opposition defenders concentrating on him has given Giles less attention culminating in the latter having imo his best game for us today.

Spot on that

As for Chuba Akpom he is like the championship version of Harry Kane the way he plays. Mad to think he was effectively on the scrap heap

Funny how it only seems to fail when its under tory governance. There was some excellent graphs in the times the other day showing how much better NHS outcomes were when Labour are in charge, particularly when Blair was in charge when nearly every measure of success was getting smashed out of the park. Nearly every one of those measures is now at the opposite end of the spectrum after 12 years of tory rule.

If the BBC, ITV, Sky and C4 didn't have gender/race/sexuality quotas and diversity targets. Pump out unchallenged women's rights, black rights and LGBT rights dogma and actively recruit leftist political activists, then you might have a point.

btw GBnews has a higher ratio of female/black/gay presenters than any of those listed above but they believe in diversity of thought rather than just immutable physical characteristics.

Their politics isn't 'Lefty', it's identitarian. There's the bias.

Not sure about GB news diversity of thought,  rather just a lack of thought. It does exactly what you accuse the others of. It uses partisan clickbait presenters like Dan Wooton who give platforms to the unqualified and discredited and present opinion as news.

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You can see how unhinged the libertarian right have become as the BBC used to be their big lefty biased bad boy. But now its ITV as well, and C4 of course, and even Sky News has become sly news. So they believe that even Rupert Murdoch is peddling lefty propaganda! Thats how extreme they have become. If its not Fox or KGB News they wont have any of it.

You do know Sky News UK ISN'T owned or ran by Rupert Murdoch, don't you. 

I didn't know that. But the BBC is also headed by a big Tory donor and its Director of News used to be Antiwoke boss at GB News yet its still accused of being lefty

All these strikes have been closely coordinated to make ordinary people’s lives a misery. I wouldn’t give them an extra penny.

 

In many cases they are making life difficult for people who earn far less than they do.

Thats not really a reason not to strike is it and lets not lay the hardships of poor people at the doors of strikers, think there are bigger culprits than them.

Dont know why you two have such a hard on for screwing the working classes, particularly those at the bottom end of pay like public sector workers. They get pretty shit pay anyway but over the last 5 years their pay has fallen way behind inflation, much more so that the private sector. Think there is a shortage of 14,000 nurses so i imagine its pretty grim when you are that short staffed. You should have the right to strike,  particularly when your employer is refusing to engage which is what they are doing with the nurses.

You can see how unhinged the libertarian right have become as the BBC used to be their big lefty biased bad boy. But now its ITV as well, and C4 of course, and even Sky News has become sly news. So they believe that even Rupert Murdoch is peddling lefty propaganda! Thats how extreme they have become. If its not Fox or KGB News they wont have any of it.

Great frontman for a great band. Probably my favourite ever band. The Specials, not Funboy Three that is.

Like Fox , GB news and infowars he is doing what they know works. Rinsing thick right wing wing. Not a bad business model.

The treatment of Megan by the UK press and certain presenters is quite cleafly nothing short of horrible malicious bullying.  Mad that its tolerated.

Its just the Sun and the Mail doing the governments bidding and trying to demonise the working class. Public sector pay has gone gone up 2.6% in the last 5 years, while private sector has gone up 7%.  This when inflation is 10%. Seems like the public sector are getting stiffed?

A 50/50 game, either side could have won it, and neither side could have had any complaints.  They took their chances better than us. Fine margins,  if we have a better keeper he saves their first. But we dont, so hey ho.

But everyone tells us they arent paid enough but there are plenty of jobs 

Thing is Doom, even your Labour party darlings have turned their backs on returning to the EU (That clear stance by the way might have won them a GE).  The days of mass movement of cheap labour is over.

Any employers needing staff need to up their offers . Simple !

 But of course its not that simple. So if you want front of house staff in restaurant or a chef you are can just offer more money and billy from berwick hills, whose last job was a wringer outer for a one armed window cleaner can just step in and do the job.  Or are you saying british business should spend a massive amount on training people, expensive and slow i imagine, bit of a lefty idea but it might work.

I'm getting a man crush on Mick Lynch. Never been a big Trade Union fan but he is a brilliant operator for his members and he shreds every politician and hostile interviewr ive seen tackle him.

Both true statements.

But we need 200,000 workers with skillsets, not delivery drivers.

Working abroad (in the EU). Yes, brexit didnt help, but the stupid EU has deemed us unclean, even though I am hearing of companies desperate for our skills.

Actually we need loads of unskilled labour as well, drivers, fruit pickers, waitresses, cleaners - shortages everywhere

Pointless fight and cringeworthy WWE style theatrics between fury, joyce and Usyk at the end.

She is utter trash

Why?

Ha ha, look at you lot trying to portray it as a sweet old lady making an innocent make and being ambushed by woke extremists

She moved her hair to read her name tag rather than ask her name, she repeatedly said "where are you from really" despite already being told "hackney" and "i am from here, i was born in the UK". At very best it was disrepectful and pig ignorant, fotmr that alone she should not be doing meet and greets at the palace.

He does.
There are only 4 teams capable of winning the world cup.
We are one of them.

Just 4? I think its wide open. Brazil, argies, france, england, spain,....germany, portugal, netherlands

Understands tournament footy does Southgate , unlike some of the fans. The only group with all 4 teams ranked in FIFA top 20, job done comfortably 

According to Jeremy Hunt abd the OBR we need at least 200,000 to be able to achieve our modest growth targets.

We have done our best to make if hard for Brits to work abroad, maybe thats why we did that

Fuck me, i was in there not long ago. It is a geordie shipping company. I think it was A&P

Yeah "rats", but the welsh and English lads disgracing themselves in Tenerife are "flying the flag" 

I dont know much about Elon Musk but im perplexed how he has ammased such wealth given the way he has been cack handedly handling his twitter business.  Annoy your content suppliers, alienate your advertisers and lay yourself open to a class acfion of wrongful dismissal cases. He seems a bit of an idiot.