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« on: October 11, 2021, 09:03:32 AM »

Good news for dominos


Not so good news for those paying tax.

Surely cheaper alternatives could be found?

https://www.cityam.com/6700-pizza-bill-hundreds-of-orders-at-dominos-dover-branch-for-channel-migrants/?fbclid=IwAR1EW-dpXMF771XXJv-KOslZeXmOU6KsVCNMxJwFFP2tjaoQuX7_sbQWF4c
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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2021, 10:09:57 AM »

But everyone was told Brexit would stop this, weren't the Johnny Foreigners properly informed?
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2021, 10:59:29 AM »

Would imagine that buying them pizza is probably quite cost effective and in the scheme of things, a drop in the ocean anyway they'll be off to Albania soon if Pritti is to be believed 
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2021, 11:34:57 AM »

Any lorry drivers amongst them?
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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2021, 01:58:15 PM »

Would imagine that buying them pizza is probably quite cost effective and in the scheme of things, a drop in the ocean anyway they'll be off to Albania soon if Pritti is to be believed 

Seeing as these people are literally washing up every day, surely they could get a local school or hospital to do extra meals, or even the local meals on wheels. Sending out for pizza's is taking the piss. I bet there are people out there on minimum wage for whom a takeaway is unaffordable. How will they feel reading this?
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2021, 02:20:05 PM »

What even previous immigrants who now earn minimum wage and contribute to the UK. We signed up to international law and getting them a Pizza seems small change.

Rishi and Johnson have printed £450 Billion and I see nothing for it, yet Bernie says nothing. Be distracted by the nasty immigrant getting a Pizza, not the corrupt Government looting the Country to the tune of hundreds of Billions

BTW we did not borrow £450 BN the Bank of England created it to cover all spending. Every time they say borrowed they are lying. Click on picture for the truth!




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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2021, 08:52:50 AM »

MyBoro, what did the government borrow £450 billion for?

Was it furlough?
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2021, 10:03:19 AM »

Would imagine that buying them pizza is probably quite cost effective and in the scheme of things, a drop in the ocean anyway they'll be off to Albania soon if Pritti is to be believed 

Seeing as these people are literally washing up every day, surely they could get a local school or hospital to do extra meals, or even the local meals on wheels. Sending out for pizza's is taking the piss. I bet there are people out there on minimum wage for whom a takeaway is unaffordable. How will they feel reading this?


They've got you looking in the wrong fucking direction again. It's as old as the hills; divide and conquer and 99% of the fucking country lap it up.  souey souey :duh:
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2021, 10:20:09 AM »

Would imagine that buying them pizza is probably quite cost effective and in the scheme of things, a drop in the ocean anyway they'll be off to Albania soon if Pritti is to be believed 

Seeing as these people are literally washing up every day, surely they could get a local school or hospital to do extra meals, or even the local meals on wheels. Sending out for pizza's is taking the piss. I bet there are people out there on minimum wage for whom a takeaway is unaffordable. How will they feel reading this?


They've got you looking in the wrong fucking direction again. It's as old as the hills; divide and conquer and 99% of the fucking country lap it up.  souey souey :duh:

So you're happy with your taxes going on this rather than the NHS then yeah?
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2021, 11:45:50 AM »

Would imagine that buying them pizza is probably quite cost effective and in the scheme of things, a drop in the ocean anyway they'll be off to Albania soon if Pritti is to be believed 

Seeing as these people are literally washing up every day, surely they could get a local school or hospital to do extra meals, or even the local meals on wheels. Sending out for pizza's is taking the piss. I bet there are people out there on minimum wage for whom a takeaway is unaffordable. How will they feel reading this?


They've got you looking in the wrong fucking direction again. It's as old as the hills; divide and conquer and 99% of the fucking country lap it up.  souey souey :duh:

So you're happy with your taxes going on this rather than the NHS then yeah?

Well, it's not really a 'one or the other' situation. There are things that I don't want my taxes spending on at all, such as bloated expense accounts of literally 000's of government employees in Whitehall, and of the MPs themselves. HS2, big bangy nukes blah blah.

The very simple truth/my point is that the lethally wealthy employ incredibly clever people to avoid paying tax when they are making large amounts in the UK

Lord alone knows how much Amazon, Google et al make in this country before clever boys and girls spirit it away to holding companies in tax havens. I am far more unhappy about this than a couple of bob on pizza

 
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2021, 03:11:46 PM »

MyBoro, what did the government borrow £450 billion for?

Was it furlough?

Maybe 20% covered furlough, failed track and trace needed cash, dodgy PPE to freinds and Donors much of which was useless and the rest they just wasted  :alf:

But it was NOT BORROWED, we created the money click the link below
The Government is Lying
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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2021, 02:25:56 PM »

The money is borrowed. It's borrowed mainly from the BoE as Bonds, a form of IOU.
The fact that only approx 75% is borrowed in this way tells you that if it is neither without risk or infinitely available.

Any Govt still has to prioritise, make fiscal decisions and ultimately try to balance the books
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2021, 10:26:05 PM »

The money is borrowed. It's borrowed mainly from the BoE as Bonds, a form of IOU.
The fact that only approx 75% is borrowed in this way tells you that if it is neither without risk or infinitely available.

Any Govt still has to prioritise, make fiscal decisions and ultimately try to balance the books
BOE has one Shareholder - HM Treasury. The money was CREATED by BOE and added to Government Account. BOE cannot force Government to repay. It was not borrowed, it was electronically created (Magic Money Tree). From the article written by someone who studies such things

"There are three differences between an overdraft you can have and the one the government has at the Bank of England. First, the Bank of England can’t turn the government down. Second, the overdraft has no limit. Third, there is no repayment required.

That is a pretty amazing facility that the government has. What it means - and a law of 1866, most recently updated in 2000 backs this up -is that the government can never run out of money. In an instant, whenever it desires it, the government can always have the money it wants.

The point I am making is that the government does not need tax to spend. Nor does it have to borrow to spend. Instead, all it has to do is tell the Bank of England to make a payment on its behalf and it will always do so, on overdraft.

This is not money printing of course: these payments are made electronically, so no printing press is involved. Instead, all that is required to create money is a computer keyboard in the Bank of England that is used to enter the data that increases the government’s overdraft.

Understanding this is vital to appreciating what is going on in modern politics. It is also key to understanding the biggest lie (I use the word appropriately) told by politicians of almost all parties which is ‘there is no money to do what people want’."
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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2021, 10:34:02 PM »

MyBoro is right. A sovereign fiat currency-issuing government doesn't need to borrow or tax to fund spending. It can simply spend the money into existence.
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2021, 08:52:38 AM »

So my question remains, why use the open markets to borrow if borrowing from the BoE was so cost-free?

If the money is not paid back the BoE would be left with a mountain of worthless bonds and gilts.

Why bother taxing Amazon, Google, Apple at all... or anyone?

If the economy has an abundance of unearned wealth that creates rampant inflation.

To control Inflation you need to take money out of the economy either by taxing people or paying back debt.

The money may not be printed initially but when the Govt sends it to people's furlough accounts they can withdraw it as cash or buy stuff on a card, so more cash starts sloshing about in the economy.

The link you provided is by a politically motivated 'tax campaigner' who was Jeremy Corbyn's economics guru, who spawned "Corbynomics"

Here's a gateway link to something more politically neutral.



https://www.omfif.org/2021/01/the-bank-of-england-nearly-financed-the-deficit-does-it-matter/
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