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« on: April 04, 2021, 05:33:45 PM »

200,000 primary school leavers denied basic literacy skills because the precious teachers had to stay at home on full pay. They have irreparably damaged those children's life chances. I hope they are suitably ashamed of themselves. I very much doubt it. We are talking about your children and grandchildren.
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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2021, 05:35:23 PM »

I donít have any grandchildren 
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2021, 05:59:15 PM »

You might have nieces or nephews or maybe godchildren.
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2021, 06:04:51 PM »

Why donít these 200,000 kids you have read about have basic literacy skills? Got a link?


Were their parents too feckless to teach the work set to them by their teachers?
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2021, 06:06:14 PM »

Why donít these 200,000 kids you have read about have basic literacy skills? Got a link?


Were their parents too feckless to teach the work set to them by their teachers?

What would you know about it?   

Can't speak from experience so pipe down  sshhh
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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2021, 06:09:05 PM »

Your kids probably had to teach you 
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2021, 06:11:36 PM »

Why donít these 200,000 kids you have read about have basic literacy skills? Got a link?


Were their parents too feckless to teach the work set to them by their teachers?



These children have lost almost one year of education. The work set the pupils at home has been patchy at best, and non existent at worst. Believe it or not you numpty, there is no substitute for proper classroom teaching. Zoom " school" is not good enough. If you can't see how disastrous this had been for these children, then you must live in a parallel universe to most people.
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2021, 06:14:47 PM »

Which part of worldwide pandemic do you not understand
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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2021, 06:15:16 PM »

It's on the front page of the Times.
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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2021, 06:20:19 PM »

Which part of worldwide pandemic do you not understand

I understand the part where the Teaching Unions for political motives played up the risk to teachers. A risk that was almost non existent. I understand that pupils in many countries, Sweden for one never missed a day of schooling. I understand that the Covid Pandemic was a god send to many of our lazy ,unionised,lefty teachers. I understand that supermarket workersto name but one group kept on working during the whole of the pandemic. People on furlough didn't get 100% of their wages like the poor stressed out teachers.
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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2021, 06:20:33 PM »

Excellent, how were these kids supposed to get to their classroom? Schools were closed to all but children of key workers who had to stock shelves, serve customers, police the streets put fires out and save lives.
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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2021, 06:20:49 PM »

If a child is leaving primary school without basic literacy skills, it is because their parents havenít bothered to teach them the work set by their teachers. Weíre not talking quantum physics here... itís how to read and write.


Feckless, lazy parents = illiterate children
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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2021, 06:24:44 PM »

The countryís public health authorities made the decision to keep schools open at the start of the outbreak and they stuck by this even when the death rate was ten times higher than in Swedenís Nordic neighbours.

Well done Sweden :gaz:
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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2021, 06:31:24 PM »

My mate is a headteacher at a primary in South Yorkshire. They had about 30-40 kids in every day during lockdown. He was in every day, along with 2 out of the 6 teachers on a rotation.

Work was set for every child, every day. Partly zoom teaching and partly home schooling. Work was to be submitted every day for marking and correcting by their teacher.

Not a single household submitted every piece of work. (He said the majority did a lot of it, but some missed a few bits. Quite a lot submitted nothing more than the odd bit each week)



Yeah, but itís the fault of the teacherís Union.
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« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2021, 06:44:52 PM »

I for one will never forgive them.
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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2021, 06:47:05 PM »

Iím sure theyíre suitably sorry for your pain.
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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2021, 06:50:23 PM »

I for one will never forgive them.

 

I think you should maybe have a little cry for an hour, then put your big boy pants on and try to get on with the rest of your Sunday
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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2021, 06:51:43 PM »

200,000 primary school leavers denied basic literacy skills because the precious teachers had to stay at home on full pay. They have irreparably damaged those children's life chances. I hope they are suitably ashamed of themselves. I very much doubt it. We are talking about your children and grandchildren.


Absolute nonsense.

My daughter,like thousands of other children, missed months of schooling in the last year. But with help from the teaching staff with things like virtual lessons and homework packs coupled with extra effort from me and mrs king we made sure she didnít fall behind.
It has been tough at times because we have had a business to run at the same time but it needed doing. We could have quite easily sent her to school as we are both classed as key workers but we made the decision that we were going to make it work.
Parents are as responsible for their childs education as the teachers.
My daughters school have been fantastic throughout all this and I imagine most other schools and teachers have been the same.

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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2021, 06:53:27 PM »

Spot on  :like: :like:
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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2021, 06:53:30 PM »

Bully for you.
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« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2021, 06:55:03 PM »

Bully for you.


Wow

You canít spend your life blaming others. Take some responsibility!!

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« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2021, 06:56:20 PM »

There was no good reason why primary schools had to close. Perhaps we should close the schools permanently as Zoom did such a good job.
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« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2021, 06:59:02 PM »

There was no good reason why primary schools had to close. Perhaps we should close the schools permanently as Zoom did such a good job.

Just delete the thread you plonker  monkey
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« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2021, 07:01:00 PM »

There was no good reason why primary schools had to close. Perhaps we should close the schools permanently as Zoom did such a good job.
They were told to bloody close by the government except for key worker children
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« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2021, 07:02:54 PM »

There was no good reason why primary schools had to close. Perhaps we should close the schools permanently as Zoom did such a good job.


The gift that keeps giving


 

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« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2021, 07:04:41 PM »

Nothing to do with teachers.

Parents in state schools generally donít give a fuck. Neglect in Middlesbrough is one of the highest in the country. Single mothers more interested in drugs, drink and cock, not all but too many, than nurturing their kids. Problem is that kids are bringing up kids. My close friend is a safeguarding lead.
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« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2021, 07:05:14 PM »

He must have been taught via zoom
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« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2021, 07:34:01 PM »

I for one will never forgive them.

My daughter will be so sad to hear that. She has just been round for a cupper. She is head of department and controls many staff as well as teaching.There is no-one who has ever been on the board, now or in the past, who works longer hours than her. She has serious asthma and was/is exposed to hundreds of people every day.

Thanks for your support for our frontline workers.

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« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2021, 07:38:12 PM »

Nothing to do with teachers.

Parents in state schools generally donít give a fuck. Neglect in Middlesbrough is one of the highest in the country. Single mothers more interested in drugs, drink and cock, not all but too many, than nurturing their kids. Problem is that kids are bringing up kids. My close friend is a safeguarding lead.


So it takes a stupid post from sheddy Bill for me and WW to agree on something  monkey
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« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2021, 07:48:28 PM »

Nothing to do with teachers.

Parents in state schools generally donít give a fuck. Neglect in Middlesbrough is one of the highest in the country. Single mothers more interested in drugs, drink and cock, not all but too many, than nurturing their kids. Problem is that kids are bringing up kids. My close friend is a safeguarding lead.


So it takes a stupid post from sheddy Bill for me and WW to agree on something  monkey

I am sure we can agree on a lot of things     klins 

The other problem is that if kids leave primary school underdeveloped educationally it is unlikely for them to catch up in secondary school. Too many kids are being neglected in working class areas
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« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2021, 10:51:06 PM »

Whose fault is it that 200000 children are leaving primary school this year without the necessary literacy skills? The teaching unions used COVID as a weapon against the government. Some teachers may well have worked right through the pandemic, but the vast majority did not. They stayed at home on full pay. Those children that did go to school did not receive the education they should have. Most of the rather flimsy work set for home learning was never assessed. For many children school was a safe place,a sort of sanctuary from sometimes awful home circumstances. Itís not the childrenís fault if parents are failing to look after them properly or donít value education.
  All in all, because schools were closed to the vast majority of pupils ,the children are the ones who pay the price. There was never any need for schools to close. The teaching unions couldnít wait to get  the schools closed. The same unions  incidentally,that still remain silent about the disgraceful treatment of one of their members at Bartley Grammar School.
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« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2021, 10:57:03 PM »

Please find it in your heart to forgive them. How will they survive cry
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« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2021, 07:43:04 AM »

Which primary schools closed? Al the ones i know remained open teaching essential workers kids,  although parents really stretched that definition. So the teachers had to teach those kids in school and then parallely run remote lessons. Primary school teachers did a great job, home learning made me realise how tough it was being a teacher!
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« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2021, 08:12:14 AM »

Whose fault is it that 200000 children are leaving primary school this year without the necessary literacy skills? The teaching unions used COVID as a weapon against the government. Some teachers may well have worked right through the pandemic, but the vast majority did not. They stayed at home on full pay. Those children that did go to school did not receive the education they should have. Most of the rather flimsy work set for home learning was never assessed. For many children school was a safe place,a sort of sanctuary from sometimes awful home circumstances. Itís not the childrenís fault if parents are failing to look after them properly or donít value education.
  All in all, because schools were closed to the vast majority of pupils ,the children are the ones who pay the price. There was never any need for schools to close. The teaching unions couldnít wait to get  the schools closed. The same unions  incidentally,that still remain silent about the disgraceful treatment of one of their members at Bartley Grammar School.

True to say that most schools were not equipped for remote learning and most teachers were/are not IT literate enough to make lessons engaging. In schools where catchment area includes Pupil Premium lots of kids did not have access to wifi or have a laptop. Lots of kids have mobiles/smart phones but that does not allow certain taks to be done easily. Problem with schools as I see it and the state education systemi per se is that there's too much red tape and box ticking. Too much time is spent turd polishing kids who are damaged (ie totally spoilt, cannot behave so basically lost causes) so need tougher/sterner/specialist treatment in separate schools away from kids who want to learn. More emphasis should be placed on teaching and less on being a social worker.

All schools were open is my understanding for essential workers' kids and vulnerable ones. But these kids were grouped in classes of 30 and teachers used a rota to supervise them. Work was basically to read and do remote learning. Most teachers were off in the 1st lockdown and found the time to day some moonlighting. In the most recent one they had to follow a time table for remote learning but most lessons were uninspiring or kids did not engage or complete taks.       
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« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2021, 08:39:19 AM »

Whose fault is it that 200000 children are leaving primary school this year without the necessary literacy skills? The teaching unions used COVID as a weapon against the government. Some teachers may well have worked right through the pandemic, but the vast majority did not. They stayed at home on full pay. Those children that did go to school did not receive the education they should have. Most of the rather flimsy work set for home learning was never assessed. For many children school was a safe place,a sort of sanctuary from sometimes awful home circumstances. Itís not the childrenís fault if parents are failing to look after them properly or donít value education.
  All in all, because schools were closed to the vast majority of pupils ,the children are the ones who pay the price. There was never any need for schools to close. The teaching unions couldnít wait to get  the schools closed. The same unions  incidentally,that still remain silent about the disgraceful treatment of one of their members at Bartley Grammar School.



Which schools were closed??
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« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2021, 10:56:53 AM »

Effectively closed to the vast majority of pupils. Some key workers children did att3nd but they were in mixed groups and didnít get the national curriculum.
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« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2021, 11:04:54 AM »

How is that the teachers unions fault we are in our third lockdown.
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« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2021, 11:52:33 AM »

The teachers unions could have said they wanted to keep schools open. They didnít. What I the supermarket workers and bin men did the same. You would have complained. How come they worked right through..
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« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2021, 11:54:10 AM »

Effectively closed to the vast majority of pupils. Some key workers children did att3nd but they were in mixed groups and didnít get the national curriculum.

None, then.
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« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2021, 12:07:08 PM »

El Capitan
Hereís another thought for you. How come after six years of primary schooling 200000 pupils do not meet basic literacy standards? Thatís 240 weeks of education. Something wrong somewhere. Could it be that our education providers are not very good?
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« Reply #40 on: April 05, 2021, 12:09:59 PM »

The teachers unions could have said they wanted to keep schools open. They didnít. What I the supermarket workers and bin men did the same. You would have complained. How come they worked right through..

The country was in lockdown. Parents were told not to send their kids to school, no one was allowed out except for essential shopping and 1 hours exercise. Were you hibernating?
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« Reply #41 on: April 05, 2021, 12:13:34 PM »

Right from the off the teaching unions were agitating for schools to close. This was before lockdown. They came out with the crap that teachers were at risk of COVID. Turns out they at very low risk of infection from children in primary schools.
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« Reply #42 on: April 05, 2021, 12:36:27 PM »

Wind up
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« Reply #43 on: April 05, 2021, 12:36:34 PM »

The teachers unions could have said they wanted to keep schools open. They didnít. What I the supermarket workers and bin men did the same. You would have complained. How come they worked right through..

The country was in lockdown. Parents were told not to send their kids to school, no one was allowed out except for essential shopping and 1 hours exercise. Were you hibernating?


Yeah, but, but...
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« Reply #44 on: April 05, 2021, 12:44:55 PM »

Here is another thought for you. All nursery schools remained open at ALL times. How did those teachers survive? Probably because they are not in the Public Sector.
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« Reply #45 on: April 05, 2021, 12:58:51 PM »

No they didnít 
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« Reply #46 on: April 05, 2021, 12:59:38 PM »

Teaching unions are too politicised.

Teachers need union protection because many schools are run with large commercial focus which I think is wrong. Many academies are bent and riddled with dodgy deals where backhanders are commonplace. Some academies will not allow their teachers to be part of a union for obvious reasons, mainly as they donít want added costs and hassle when they want to terminate a contract. Too many schools are badly run.

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« Reply #47 on: April 05, 2021, 01:02:16 PM »

Bill, did you struggle with homeschooling?

It was tough at times but like i said before it was parents responsibility as much as the teachers to carry on their kids education. Blaming the the teachers is a shithouse trick.

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« Reply #48 on: April 05, 2021, 01:04:28 PM »

Bill, did you struggle with homeschooling?



His spelling has come on a treat but he still has problems with his times tables
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« Reply #49 on: April 05, 2021, 01:05:23 PM »

Itís the teaching unions I blame.They have behaved disgracefully. They like other lefty public sector unions wanted to play politics with a pandemic. They do not have the childrenís education at heart.
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