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« on: June 30, 2020, 09:09:25 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2020, 10:05:34 AM »

 No brainier for me. 

But it wonít happen because the result would be a bad one for the left. 

There has got to be a point though.    If 70% think it is the right idea?   ďNah, we know bestĒ.   

If 90% of society thinks it for the best?  Do we still ignore them?

99%.  ďNah you are all wrong!  You arenít intelligent enough for such an important decisionĒ
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2020, 10:07:33 AM »

Democracy.  But only when it suits
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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2020, 10:09:43 AM »

Won't happen sadly.

If someone were sentenced to death the appeals would drag through the courts for years. Then when the time came the hard left would gather outside the jail in their thousands protesting, which would no doubt spill over into violence. Sky & BBC would be holding live broadcasts with every media lefty they can find condemning it.
Other countries would invoke sanctions or withhold investment.
The government would shit themselves and abandon the whole thing.

NB: Disregard the above if it were a far right killer being executed.
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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2020, 10:30:32 AM »

Only negatives I can see is there will be some innocent people killed; and would it be more likely that somebody would kill a person they abused to lower the risk of being caught? In general I agree, some people deserve to be nuked.
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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2020, 10:40:36 AM »

Democracy.  But only when it suits

Well, quite.

Democracy started with good intentions but it was hijacked long ago by the powers that be. Now it only serves to give you the illusion of choice. Doubt that?

What are the big ideological differences between the tories, labour or the lib dems?

There are none. They are identikit political entities with very minor economic differences.



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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2020, 10:59:48 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2020, 11:14:05 AM »

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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2020, 11:15:50 AM »

BOUGHT IT OFF MATTY !!!    :matty:   jc
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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2020, 11:28:43 AM »

I've asked this before regarding innocent people sentenced to death, to someone against it. I asked if one person was wrongly accused if we had the death penalty, and sentenced to death, would you swap it for someone getting early release if we didn't have the death penalty and said prisoner going out and murdering ten/ twenty or more innocent people?

No prizes for guessing the answer. I do think their answer has a lot to do with the race/religion of prisoners though considering the prison number statistics, I mean, if it was TM or someone like that, their principals would go out of the window, no doubt.
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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2020, 11:33:32 AM »

It should only be used where determination of guilt is beyond the context of error or mistake.

For example - the Reading stabber. He was arrested on the scene and identified by police and people at the scene as the perpetrator. There's is likely CCTV of him carrying out the attacks too.

Guilt is beyond doubt of any kind therefore the only suitable punishment is death. 

The "what if you made a mistake" argument isn't valid in this context. 
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2020, 12:33:26 PM »

It doesn't appear to work as a disincentive in the states.
If the argument is to have it as a deterrent.
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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2020, 12:37:34 PM »

Good point, Terry, in fact many terrorists claiming to be acting in the name of Islam actively seek death. You make a martyr of them, and radicalise more idiots.
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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2020, 12:41:12 PM »

Iím with you Terry.

But thatís only one of the positives it will bring.

Itís an old argument. And there is a lot of truth in it.   But no one can say it doesnít work as a deterrent.

If it deters 500 people hast it worked?  Yes of course it has
If it deters 50 people has it worked?  Same answer yes. It has

Eve if it deters one person.    It has worked as a deterrent.    

It might not be a particularly good deterrent.   But it is a plain fact that it does work as deterrent for some.

Then you have to start asking if it was a deterrent for 1 person who might have raped 50 children.   Is that worth it?





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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2020, 12:45:08 PM »

Good point, Terry, in fact many terrorists claiming to be acting in the name of Islam actively seek death. You make a martyr of them, and radicalise more idiots.

Nah Towz.  Not having that.   Those that want to be a martyr be a matryr.    They donít need the state to end their lives.

Itís not black and white.  Of course.   But again there must be stacks out there who want to do it and get away with it.   To do it again.    If this is a deterrent to some of those.  Then it works.
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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2020, 12:45:58 PM »

Oh sure,it will deter many people from committing acts of extreme violence, murder etc. etc. but so will the threat of long term incarceration.
If you use the USA as an example then the states without the death penalty have lower murder rates than those with it. If the target really is to deter then harsher prison sentences (like those in the US) would appear to be more effective.
If what we really want is revenge, well, that's a whole new argument.
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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2020, 12:52:40 PM »

As Iíve got older, and with a better chance of certainty, I see crimes where I could easily kill the buggers myself.

I still believe that if you want revenge then lock them up in solitary forever, but thatís probably not allowed.
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« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2020, 12:58:10 PM »

Iíve seen those same stats.   The states is tricky though.  There could be all manner of reasons why the homicide rate is higher in states with the death penalty.   Tin simplistic terms they may just be shitter areas with worse neighbourhoods.  Having the death penalty in place leans towards the fact you live in a state that has higher historical homicide rate.   The states with lower homicide rates abolished earlier etc

Itís a good debate though.

A proper review is required for me.  You can tailor around crimes where it will be a deterrent. Again this is a very simplistic answer to a very complicated issue.    

I mean you canít really put this the thing to a referendum.   The people arenít smart enough....   which country would ever be daft enough to trust its people with a huge decision that will massively affect the future of its people.....
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« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2020, 01:05:58 PM »

Iíve seen those same stats.   The states is tricky though.  There could be all manner of reasons why the homicide rate is higher in states with the death penalty.   Tin simplistic terms they may just be shitter areas with worse neighbourhoods.  Having the death penalty in place leans towards the fact you live in a state that has higher historical homicide rate.   The states with lower homicide rates abolished earlier etc

Itís a good debate though.

A proper review is required for me.  You can tailor around crimes where it will be a deterrent. Again this is a very simplistic answer to a very complicated issue.    

I mean you canít really put this the thing to a referendum.   The people arenít smart enough....   which country would ever be daft enough to trust its people with a huge decision that will massively affect the future of its people.....

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« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2020, 01:10:16 PM »

I am open to other forms of punishment.  But they would be roundly rejected by the left.  

  Solitary and sense deprivation would be a good start.

Horrific paedophiles would be branded.   On their forehead. Permanent disfigurement.  And room full of mirrors so they canít get away from what they are.   Also it would help with targeted attacks in jail.  Making their lifeís as miserable as their victims for the rest of their existence.

Basically Iíd accept any other alternative to the death penalty.  So long as the punishment was actually worse than death.  

But then you would get people like adi dem defending them saying the need help.  That itís an illness and we need to treat and rehabilitate.  etc. But now we are getting towards why I got banned from fmttm.  
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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2020, 01:11:11 PM »

I voted remain!!!!  Seriously
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« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2020, 02:01:40 PM »

I posted something on fmttm before. Will try and dig out the article.  Think it was something like 50% of knife related murders we carried out by someone who had committed a similar offence previously.

There seems a very easy solution to wiping out half of all knife related murders
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