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Question: Would you be OK with the Death Penalty returning for stonewall abhorrent cases?
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« on: December 06, 2018, 05:48:00 PM »

Losely related to a few fairly topical stories at the moment.   The child killer subhuman piece of shit getting out and....... Brexit.

I know its an argument that has been done to death.   When talking BREXIT People saying "if you asked them if they would want the death penalty back they would say yes.  But that is obviously the wrong thing to do".

A) Is it really the wrong thing to do?  People spout guff about a civilised society.   Well what is a civilised society? Is there a point where you have to admit that your idea of a civilised society isn't the same as the majority of the country.   If there was say 90% saying they would support it?  What about 99%.

B) As a strong remainer who thinks we have to leave.   I would say the Great British Public are in a much better position to make a judgment on this as oppose to the complex brexit mess.   Are we saying they are smart enough to understand economics?  But not ethics?
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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2018, 05:51:08 PM »

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Completely stupid to not have it as a deterrent.

Leftist  :wanker:
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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2018, 06:02:46 PM »

I argued this over the road with Adi several times.

People (including him) say it's not a deterrent.

For me this is when the whole argument falls down.   Anyone who blindly argues that it isn't a deterrent isn't thinking objectively.

"It's not a deterrent" is a False statement.   it only needs to be a deterrent for one person for this to be FALSE. It's 100% a deterrent for me.  So therefore false.  Once you accept that it will deter some.  you need to look at how many and what kind of people and what crimes it could be a deterrent for.

I appreciate that there's been lots of research into this but recently I'm seeing more evidence of it being a suitable deterrent.  The left seem to fall back on lefty evidence from 30 years ago.
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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2018, 06:32:49 PM »

Sick of this ethical line,

we must rehab,

We must learn from rehab etc

My only concern is that I have zero faith in the Police Authority so the death penalty should only be used in extreme terms where the burden of proof is overwhelming to the extent that itís witnessed, corroborated by independent witnesses or captured by cctv. For instance the utter cunts who did Lee Rigby, Huntley, Yorkshire Ripper etc
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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2018, 08:13:22 PM »

It's 100% a deterrent for me.  So therefore false.
So as we dont have the death penalty how many people have you killed  :tp2:

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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2018, 08:24:29 PM »

Whether it's a deterrent or not is irrelevant it's a punishment & the murderous cunt's won't kill again.
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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2018, 10:21:09 PM »

Doesn't work in America.



The state has no more right to kill than anyone else.


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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2018, 10:26:22 PM »

No. It's extremely uncivilised.
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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2018, 11:26:28 PM »

Rids

Doesn't work in America??  What doesn't??
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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2018, 11:27:39 PM »

Deterrent or not, it gets rid of fuckin scum shite.
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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2018, 11:33:14 PM »

Someoneís been watching The Green Mile
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2018, 11:34:32 PM »

Polite dwarf.  Who or what defines a civilised society?  Or were you just being a dick?
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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2018, 11:42:02 PM »

And rids....

The state has no more right......


You could then argue that they have no more right to keep a person locked up against their own will.

You are of course correct that the state currently has no more right to kill.   But if the law changed they would????

Thats not really a valid argument
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« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2018, 11:48:01 PM »

Human life is either sacred or not.


The state has a habit of killing the poor and vulnerable whilst the wealthy escape such punishment.
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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2018, 12:10:44 AM »

Totally different argument. 

 Lefty in shock  "going off at tangent cos he has no valid argument"
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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2018, 12:15:55 AM »

Actually, my position is straight to the point.



Killing is wrong.
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« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2018, 12:16:16 AM »

Doesn't need to be a deterrent.

We should get rid of scum.

Death penalty when beyond any doubt.

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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2018, 12:22:54 AM »

Absolute weak as, piss.  You weren't straight to the point.  You made two statements that you cant back up (and I can tear to pieces) .  Then you made another extremely simplistic statement.  Then you went off at a tangent.
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« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2018, 12:35:36 AM »

What is more to the point than killing is wrong?



You stupid tory cunt.
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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2018, 12:45:47 AM »

Well that was plain enough charles
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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2018, 04:41:53 AM »

Doesn't work in America.



The state has no more right to kill than anyone else.




If you look at the murder rates and execution stats they are stacked heavily to 1 side.

Barely any executions considering the population and crime rates.  Its not even carried out in more than half the states.

Texas always wins the league though.

Dont Fuck with Texas. 



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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2018, 05:57:57 AM »

Blokhin is always a story worth checking out.
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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2018, 06:07:31 AM »

Blokhin is always a story worth checking out.

His count of 7,000 shot in 28 days remains the most organized and protracted mass murder by a single individual on record, and saw him being named the Guinness World Record holder for 'Most Prolific Executioner' in 2010.

 mick

I love that he died by..........



 suicide. 





Took his work home.

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« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2018, 07:04:05 AM »

The worry for me was in giving the state power, and it abused it.  That fear of waking up in a kafka-esk trial whereby you don't remember the events, but all the events, security recordings and witness testimony point to it was you that went on a murderous rampage.

But then I thought to myself, well actually whether or not I remember murdering a load of people, is not really the point, I would clearly be a danger to society and society would benefit through ending my life.  Because lets be honest, there are only two options, lock up and throw away the key, or execution.

Psychologist would never be able to say 100% that I would not go onto commit another black out murderous rampage.

So what is the benefit to society in keeping me alive in a cell for the next 50 years?  Is it just in the hope I take my own life in prison, so we can pretend we did the humane thing by letting me live?


And as for releasing that multiple child killer.  Fucking hell, if that is what it means to be a civilized society, I am happy that I am residing in Japan (which has the death penalty).  In general the Japanese are very high education levels across the populace, and in 2015 only 9.7% were against capital punishment for cases of multiple murders.
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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2018, 08:57:13 AM »

Absolutely pathetic Rids.  PATHETIC.

It took you 4 stabs to make that point that killing is wrong.   As I've said.   I can easily rip your earlier points to pieces.  So you just ignore what I was saying.    Don't worry though.   Its a desperate tactic often employed by leftys with a lower level of intellect.  I'm used to it. :homer:

You then come with the really ironic statement about me being thick.  Despite the fact I can clearly run rings round you with very little effort. donkey

To top it off you through in the classic insult to anyone who dares to think for themselves rater than just vote for what your dad said you should.   Using Tory as a negative adjective.  LOL  
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« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2018, 09:04:38 AM »

Then you call me a cunt which is the first clear sign that you are mentally lacking.  You know you arent anywhere near the level required to be able to debate with me, so just call me a cunt.

It stinks of "I'm weak and I have no argument".

But well done you for aggressively defending yourself on a message board.

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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2018, 10:48:56 AM »

The worry for me was in giving the state power, and it abused it.  That fear of waking up in a kafka-esk trial whereby you don't remember the events, but all the events, security recordings and witness testimony point to it was you that went on a murderous rampage.

But then I thought to myself, well actually whether or not I remember murdering a load of people, is not really the point, I would clearly be a danger to society and society would benefit through ending my life.  Because lets be honest, there are only two options, lock up and throw away the key, or execution.

Psychologist would never be able to say 100% that I would not go onto commit another black out murderous rampage.

So what is the benefit to society in keeping me alive in a cell for the next 50 years?  Is it just in the hope I take my own life in prison, so we can pretend we did the humane thing by letting me live?


And as for releasing that multiple child killer.  Fucking hell, if that is what it means to be a civilized society, I am happy that I am residing in Japan (which has the death penalty).  In general the Japanese are very high education levels across the populace, and in 2015 only 9.7% were against capital punishment for cases of multiple murders.


Good point. Where crime rates are only bettered by Monaco. And if you are sent to jail you fucking suffer and hence repent.

But theyíre just gooks according to the liberals and uncivilised
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« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2018, 10:58:22 AM »

Before Britain abolished the death penalty there were fewer or no murders? Surely we would have kept it if it was such a great deterrent.
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« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2018, 11:12:39 AM »

Abolished in 1965. Itís increased threefold according to these stats up to 2002. The number is now approaching 4 per 100,000 which equates to over 40 on graph below which takes it . Quite a rise, eightfold more or less. Quite compelling

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« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2018, 11:22:16 AM »

Absolutely pathetic Rids.  PATHETIC.

It took you 4 stabs to make that point that killing is wrong.   As I've said.   I can easily rip your earlier points to pieces.  So you just ignore what I was saying.    Don't worry though.   Its a desperate tactic often employed by leftys with a lower level of intellect.  I'm used to it. :homer:

You then come with the really ironic statement about me being thick.  Despite the fact I can clearly run rings round you with very little effort. donkey

To top it off you through in the classic insult to anyone who dares to think for themselves rater than just vote for what your dad said you should.   Using Tory as a negative adjective.  LOL  

Here here mate.

Lefties are the masters of stating their opinions as fact.  :wanker:
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« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2018, 11:34:08 AM »

Then you call me a cunt which is the first clear sign that you are mentally lacking.  You know you arent anywhere near the level required to be able to debate with me, so just call me a cunt.

It stinks of "I'm weak and I have no argument".

But well done you for aggressively defending yourself on a message board.





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« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2018, 11:37:05 AM »

I'm in favour of hanging all stupid lefty cunts but I'm not so sure about murderers.
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« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2018, 11:42:26 AM »

Abolished in 1965. Itís increased threefold according to these stats up to 2002. The number is now approaching 4 per 100,000 which equates to over 40 on graph below which takes it . Quite a rise, eightfold more or less. Quite compelling



Population increases etc
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« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2018, 11:48:52 AM »

Drugs
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« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2018, 11:51:03 AM »

Killings stopped in 2002 anyway :mido:
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« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2018, 12:06:15 PM »

Per million robbso.....

But yeah.  It all stopped in 2002.   Which happens, to be the year the Queen mother died.... 
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« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2018, 12:12:56 PM »

Was she a mass murderer  :alf:
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« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2018, 12:39:40 PM »

The Berkshire Ripper!
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« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2018, 12:41:21 PM »

The Berkshire Ripper!

 
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« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2018, 12:43:00 PM »

Wasn't her grandson called Jack, runs in the family :alf:
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« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2018, 02:24:25 PM »

Abolished in 1965. Itís increased threefold according to these stats up to 2002. The number is now approaching 4 per 100,000 which equates to over 40 on graph below which takes it . Quite a rise, eightfold more or less. Quite compelling



Population increases etc



Probably more closely linked to the amount of fuckin muzzies pouring over our borders.



 
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« Reply #41 on: December 07, 2018, 03:28:30 PM »

I REMEMBER WHEN COULBS ENJOYED A GOOD GRAPH.

SADLY HE'S LOST THE ENTHUSIASM NOW.

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« Reply #42 on: December 07, 2018, 03:38:24 PM »

Lost his maths mojo  lost
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« Reply #43 on: December 07, 2018, 03:43:23 PM »

Been no tax input for a long time either, could have done With his input recently too   souey
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« Reply #44 on: December 07, 2018, 04:22:35 PM »

Been no tax input for a long time either, could have done With his input recently too   souey
Wasn't me who put the graphs or tax posts up..so fuck off.
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« Reply #45 on: December 07, 2018, 04:23:36 PM »

Abolished in 1965. Itís increased threefold according to these stats up to 2002. The number is now approaching 4 per 100,000 which equates to over 40 on graph below which takes it . Quite a rise, eightfold more or less. Quite compelling



Population increases etc

8fold  :tp1:
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« Reply #46 on: December 07, 2018, 04:24:50 PM »

Abolished in 1965. Itís increased threefold according to these stats up to 2002. The number is now approaching 4 per 100,000 which equates to over 40 on graph below which takes it . Quite a rise, eightfold more or less. Quite compelling



Population increases etc



Probably more closely linked to the amount of fuckin muzzies pouring over our borders.



 

Fucking trust Johnny to go straight for the clitoris  :tp1:
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« Reply #47 on: December 07, 2018, 05:39:43 PM »

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« Reply #48 on: December 07, 2018, 07:02:03 PM »

Heíd miss the cunt and come up sucking his thumb  charles

Bashing one out too obviously
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« Reply #49 on: December 08, 2018, 06:58:18 AM »

 rava mcl
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