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« on: February 13, 2018, 10:05:20 PM »

That's the average debt for Uni leavers unless they get support elsewhere.
Worth it?
Is it fuck.
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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2018, 10:38:12 PM »

why would you want go to uni other than to land yourself with a load of debt.  The new apprentice courses which colleges are cottoning onto is the way forward.  employee gets paid , gets on the job experience and comes out with a professional qualification.   employer pays 10% co investment fee and / or levy and the govt foots the bill.   the krauts have been getting it right for years and this is definitely the way forward.  Plus you don't have to put up with a load of leftys at work :mido:
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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2018, 10:40:20 PM »

I went to collage purely to buck girls, nothing else .
Only gay cunts do collage or uni to study  :wanker: and fucking nerdy gay  :wanker: at that
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2018, 11:14:07 PM »

That's the average debt for Uni leavers unless they get support elsewhere.
Worth it?
Is it fuck.

I teach in higher education and like it or not, having a degree does matter.
Your 'is it fuck worth it' comment is not based on any evidence. Just saying like
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/11744118/Graduates-earn-500000-more-than-non-graduates.html
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2018, 11:15:17 PM »

But that doesn't mean that I am saying the current system is right, just try and base your outspoken comments on some evidence Jim...it makes for a better debate that way 
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2018, 11:27:13 PM »

Of course it's worth it; it keeps Gramsci's gravy train rolling right along :like:
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2018, 11:29:35 PM »

Of course it's worth it; it keeps Gramsci's gravy train rolling right along :like:

Your problem Len, is you want to reduce everything to something about the individual, which, in essence, shows that you are unable to grasp the bigger picture in life. Be better. Sad prick  :nige:
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2018, 11:36:29 PM »

Degree opens doors nothing more

Some jobs you canít even apply without one
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2018, 11:36:49 PM »

Of course it's worth it; it keeps Gramsci's gravy train rolling right along :like:

Your problem Len, is you want to reduce everything to something about the individual, which, in essence, shows that you are unable to grasp the bigger picture in life. Be better. Sad prick  :nige:
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Your problem Gram, is that you're not half as clever as you like to make out. For instance, quoting something like that stat our of the Telegragh and claiming it proves your point, without taking into account any of the many, many variables. You're definitely more in the Cathy Newman than the Jordan Petersen mould.
Oh, and I'm the bigger man, so I shall refrain from the gratuitous abuse. You mong. jc
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2018, 11:40:10 PM »

The loan repayment terms are the best they'll ever see. Cheap finance.
It's not the loans that are the problem with university education now it's the shit courses for thick students who shouldn't be there.
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2018, 11:44:12 PM »

The loan repayment terms are the best they'll ever see. Cheap finance.
It's not the loans that are the problem with university education now it's the shit courses for thick students who shouldn't be there.
Education is big business now. To keep that business growing you need to keep expanding the customer base. To do that, obviously, you need to make it accessible to more people, which means dumbing it down. Some people do very well out of it, the country, as a whole, doesn't.
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2018, 12:31:25 AM »

The loan repayment terms are the best they'll ever see. Cheap finance.
It's not the loans that are the problem with university education now it's the shit courses for thick students who shouldn't be there.

Some people spent far more on their education.

 
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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2018, 12:43:39 AM »

The only issue I have with it, is the stupid amounts you can pay back in one month.  Should be capped at £500 a month, probably even lower. Building a career is a lot harder now and a lot more competitive than it was 30 years ago, that is a fact. Without a degree most people are going nowhere.

Paying back £1000 a month on a loan is outrageous.
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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2018, 12:45:39 AM »

You mong.

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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2018, 01:03:00 AM »

The loan repayment terms are the best they'll ever see. Cheap finance.
It's not the loans that are the problem with university education now it's the shit courses for thick students who shouldn't be there.

Some people spent far more on their education.

 

I spent more than that on beer, fags and recreational drugs in the three years I was there!

When I left university in the late 80's I was in debt to Barclays Bank to the tune of £30k and I had to start paying that back as soon as I had any sort of income.
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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2018, 04:01:50 AM »

I went to collage purely to buck girls, nothing else .
Only gay cunts do collage or uni to study  :wanker: and fucking nerdy gay  :wanker: at that

It must have been one of those new fangled interractive colllages
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« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2018, 04:33:58 AM »

That's the average debt for Uni leavers unless they get support elsewhere.
Worth it?
Is it fuck.

I teach in higher education and like it or not, having a degree does matter.
Your 'is it fuck worth it' comment is not based on any evidence. Just saying like
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/11744118/Graduates-earn-500000-more-than-non-graduates.html


Based on that article the average graduate earns more. Which of course means that less than half might not. Of those positions analysed how many were in London..........?
And the figures project those jobs from application right through to the end of a career. Utter bollox.
The study also fails to take into account the projected cost of paying back the loan AND those that don't get work. Again, bollox.

So the study is flawed. But then you'd know that, having a degree n all.
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« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2018, 04:38:35 AM »

I went to collage purely to buck girls, nothing else .
Only gay cunts do collage or uni to study  :wanker: and fucking nerdy gay  :wanker: at that

Yeah!  Right on Mingey.

Collage is for loosers!

Not like us cool hard blerks.  

Fuck off all you wanky studenty types (like Matty who probably went to St Bumder's, Cambridge).

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« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2018, 06:53:36 AM »

Fucking education benders  :unlike:

Graft Hands dirty buck pussy  :homer:
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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2018, 09:21:51 AM »

That's the average debt for Uni leavers unless they get support elsewhere.
Worth it?
Is it fuck.

I teach in higher education and like it or not, having a degree does matter.
Your 'is it fuck worth it' comment is not based on any evidence. Just saying like
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/11744118/Graduates-earn-500000-more-than-non-graduates.html


Based on that article the average graduate earns more. Which of course means that less than half might not. Of those positions analysed how many were in London..........?
And the figures project those jobs from application right through to the end of a career. Utter bollox.
The study also fails to take into account the projected cost of paying back the loan AND those that don't get work. Again, bollox.

So the study is flawed. But then you'd know that, having a degree n all.

To those who go to university and treat it in the way they should - i.e. go to class, work hard, take their studies seriously, take up the work placements/internships/free trips to subject related conferences/festivals/conventions then it is worth it in the end. To the rest who treat it like it is an excuse to do fuck all for three years and not go to class nor invest any effort into their studies, then it is a complete waste of time and money, that ultimately the tax payer will foot the bill because there is little chance of some of them earning 21k plus.

For those that are in between the achievers and the losers, they learn valuable transferable skills that go above and beyond what they are learning about their particular subject - is that worth 50k? Not in my opinion it is not.

But that is what happens to a system that you allow to be thoroughly marketised....Lenin is right about increasing the customer base - Unis are all at it...especially getting students from China and India....they are worth a lot more than UK or EU students.

And those that say it has been dumbed down, you are right - many should not be there....the one positive is that it is more open to kids from backgrounds who wouldn't normally go to uni, but that comes with a far too big price tag.

Going back to your original post above Jim, you cite variables that question the validity of that Telegraph article, well with the same sentiment, there are many variables that can be cited, which would negate your argument that it isn't worth it anything, which is what you seem to suggest.

Would I insist that my kids go to Uni...no....but nor would I want to prevent them either, because there is plenty to gain from it, despite the ridiculous fees.
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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2018, 10:11:38 AM »

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Both have mine got their degrees and are in jobs they wouldn't have got without them.
But they're lucky they had someone to fund them.
Agree with everything you say there.
A degree has been devalued now drastically to the extent where, IMO, the majority simply aren't worth the £50k.
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« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2018, 10:28:22 AM »

I went to collage purely to buck girls, nothing else .
Only gay cunts do collage or uni to study  :wanker: and fucking nerdy gay  :wanker: at that

Yeah!  Right on Mingey.

Collage is for loosers!

Not like us cool hard blerks.  

Fuck off all you wanky studenty types (like Matty who probably went to St Bumder's, Cambridge).

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Just for clarity -

This is a collage




This is a college



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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2018, 10:38:02 AM »

My daughter was a high achieving student at school and went to study at UCL. She now lives and works in London with a decent paid job and paying off her student loan through slightly increased taxes.

My son is in the middle of a Chem Eng degree at Newcastle Uni. We are stumping up for his accommodation fees. I would expect him get a decent paid job and for him to have a decent career after he's graduated.

The problem with many degrees is that they're not valued and accredited. I would argue a psychology degree at an ex Poly is not worth £50k (better off doing an apprenticeship) whereas a £50k debt after graduating in a STEM subject from a redbrick would be worth it.

The least said about the difference in tuition fees between Scotland and England the better. Pure racism.
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« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2018, 10:42:43 AM »




The problem with many degrees is that they're not valued and accredited. I would argue a psychology degree at an ex Poly is not worth £50k (better off doing an apprenticeship) whereas a £50k debt after graduating in a STEM subject from a redbrick would be worth it.



Do you know how much a psychologist earns. I wish I had chosen that career when I was younger. very well paid. Great starting wage and with a few years you would be expected to be earning £40k plus.
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« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2018, 10:53:49 AM »




The problem with many degrees is that they're not valued and accredited. I would argue a psychology degree at an ex Poly is not worth £50k (better off doing an apprenticeship) whereas a £50k debt after graduating in a STEM subject from a redbrick would be worth it.



Do you know how much a psychologist earns. I wish I had chosen that career when I was younger. very well paid. Great starting wage and with a few years you would be expected to be earning £40k plus.

There surely can't be a shortage of them. My point was not about Psychology but Micky Mouse degrees at Mickey Mouse Uni's
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« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2018, 11:07:42 AM »

At least Middlesbrough doesn't have a problem with a Mickey Mouse Uni  mcl
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« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2018, 12:10:59 PM »

In a lot of cases a degree just shows that you can learn and complete a course at a certain level, even specific degrees like Electrical engineering covers things that you will never need to know or use in your entire career.
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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2018, 12:20:39 PM »

Went to Cambridge with one of my kids and they explained just that.

They have kids studying things like Classics and Archaeology and even Law that have no intention of following that as a career but they still get snapped up by the likes of BP, M&S etc because they've been trained in breaking down huge volumes of information into concise reports.

They've demonstrated an analytical mind and the skills are transferable across just about all sectors.

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« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2018, 12:22:51 PM »

The only issue I have with it, is the stupid amounts you can pay back in one month.  Should be capped at £500 a month, probably even lower. Building a career is a lot harder now and a lot more competitive than it was 30 years ago, that is a fact. Without a degree most people are going nowhere.

Paying back £1000 a month on a loan is outrageous.


Bollocks

You pay 9% of anything you earn over £1250 a month

To be paying back 1k a month is fantasy land and never happens to the general university graduate
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« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2018, 12:24:53 PM »

I can assure you, it does happen.
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« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2018, 12:25:54 PM »

No it doesnít D
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« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2018, 02:41:28 PM »

Went to Cambridge with one of my kids and they explained just that.

They have kids studying things like Classics and Archaeology and even Law that have no intention of following that as a career but they still get snapped up by the likes of BP, M&S etc because they've been trained in breaking down huge volumes of information into concise reports.

They've demonstrated an analytical mind and the skills are transferable across just about all sectors.



Exactly that.

It's always the thick people who can't grasp it though.
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« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2018, 02:42:49 PM »

Went to Cambridge with one of my kids and they explained just that.

They have kids studying things like Classics and Archaeology and even Law that have no intention of following that as a career but they still get snapped up by the likes of BP, M&S etc because they've been trained in breaking down huge volumes of information into concise reports.

They've demonstrated an analytical mind and the skills are transferable across just about all sectors.



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« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2018, 03:28:14 PM »


Just for clarity -

This is a collage




This is a college





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« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2018, 03:29:02 PM »

Tezza, Tezza, Tezza  lost souey
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« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2018, 03:30:00 PM »

Went to Cambridge with one of my kids and they explained just that.

They have kids studying things like Classics and Archaeology and even Law that have no intention of following that as a career but they still get snapped up by the likes of BP, M&S etc because they've been trained in breaking down huge volumes of information into concise reports.

They've demonstrated an analytical mind and the skills are transferable across just about all sectors.



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And they have learnt how to "give and take".

Oxbridge sausage jockeys like Mad Matty are the wurst.

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« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2018, 03:30:49 PM »

Leeds Poly for me  :alastair:  :mido:
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« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2018, 03:42:53 PM »

Tezza, Tezza, Tezza  lost souey

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« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2018, 03:55:22 PM »

Leeds Poly for me  :alastair:  :mido:

We are talking about university degrees here Matty.

Not Certificates of Participation.








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« Reply #39 on: February 14, 2018, 04:01:24 PM »

Do Holme House do degrees, BF?






 
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« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2018, 04:36:44 PM »

No it doesnít D
Stop being silly

Of course it does. Use a calculator, it isn't that hard to calculate.
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« Reply #41 on: February 14, 2018, 04:47:54 PM »

I think they'd have to be earning over £150,000 pa to have to make payments of £1000 per month, that's some starting salary for a graduate.
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« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2018, 06:28:37 PM »

I think they'd have to be earning over £150,000 pa to have to make payments of £1000 per month, that's some starting salary for a graduate.



Exactly

Like I said not the average student

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« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2018, 06:57:00 PM »

Went to Cambridge with one of my kids and they explained just that.

They have kids studying things like Classics and Archaeology and even Law that have no intention of following that as a career but they still get snapped up by the likes of BP, M&S etc because they've been trained in breaking down huge volumes of information into concise reports.

They've demonstrated an analytical mind and the skills are transferable across just about all sectors.



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