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« on: June 17, 2017, 04:25:13 PM »

A proposal to scrap 45-minute halves is to be looked at by football's lawmakers to deter time-wasting.

Instead, there could be two periods of 30 minutes with the clock stopped whenever the ball goes out of play.

Lawmaking body the International Football Association Board (Ifab) says matches only see about 60 minutes of "effective playing time" out of 90.

The idea is one of several put forward in a new strategy document designed to address football's "negativities".

Another proposal would see players not being allowed to follow up and score if a penalty is saved - if the spot-kick "is not successful", play would stop and a goal-kick awarded.

Other ideas include a stadium clock linked to a referee's watch and a new rule allowing players to effectively pass to themselves or dribble the ball when taking a free-kick.

Read the full strategy document here

Where have these proposals come from?

The ideas have been put forward to Ifab by stakeholders in the game to tackle "on-field issues" and form part of what it calls its "Play Fair strategy", which has three aims of:

improving player behaviour and increasing respect
increasing playing time
increasing fairness and attractiveness
Part of the problem the new document highlights is that a 90-minute match has fewer than 60 minutes of playing time because of stoppages and time-wasting.

Which plans need no law changes?

The document has put forward a number of radical ideas for discussion, but suggests some proposals can be implemented immediately without the need for law changes.

Most of these apply to trying to combat time-wasting. The document says match officials should be stricter on the rule which allows keepers to hold the ball for six seconds and be more stringent when calculating additional time.

Additionally, it suggests match officials stop their watch:

from a penalty being awarded to the spot-kick being taken
from a goal being scored until the match resumes from the kick-off
from asking an injured player if he requires treatment to play restarting
from the referee showing a yellow or red card to play resuming
from the signal of a substitution to play restarting
from a referee starting to pace a free-kick to when it is taken
Which plans are ready for testing?

Some of the proposals are already being tested. The idea of only allowing captains to speak to referees - to prevent match officials being mobbed - will be trialled at this summer's Confederations Cup, which starts on Saturday.

Another proposal involves changing the order of kick-taking in penalty shoot-outs, known as 'ABBA'. It is similar to a tie-break in tennis, with team A taking the first kick, then team B taking two, then team A taking two. That is a change from the traditional 'team A, team B, team A, team B' pattern.

New suggestions also include players who are being substituted leaving at the closest part of the touchline to them instead of at the halfway line.

Which ideas are up for discussion?

This is where it gets interesting. One of the proposals would allow being able to dribble straight from a free-kick to "encourage attacking play as the player who is fouled can stop the ball and then immediately continue their dribble/attacking move". Other measures include:

passing to yourself at a free-kick, corner and goal-kick
a stadium clock which stops and starts along with the referee's watch
allowing the goal-kick to be taken even if the ball is moving
a goal-kick being taken on the same side that the ball went out on
a "clearer and more consistent definition" of handball
a player who scores a goal or stops a goal with his hands gets a red card
a keeper who handles a backpass or throw-in from a team-mate concedes a penalty
the referee can award a goal if a player stops a goal being scored by handling on or close to the goal-line
referees can only blow for half-time or full-time when the ball goes out of play
a penalty kick is either scored or missed/saved and players cannot follow up to score to stop encroachment into the penalty area
Who has come up with these proposals?

Ifab is made up of Fifa and the four British home football associations - of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland - and is responsible for making the final decision on law changes.

Former English referee David Elleray is Ifab's technical director and has overseen the document.

"Referees, players, coaches and fans all agree that improving player behaviour and respect for all participants and especially match officials, increasing playing time and the game's fairness and attractiveness must be football's main priority," he said.

The next stage would involve the ideas being discussed at various meetings before decisions are taken on whether to develop them further or discard them.
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2017, 04:28:56 PM »

More advert breaks

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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2017, 04:57:45 PM »

I'm for the idea but it should be longer than 30 minutes. 35 maybe.
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2017, 05:06:18 PM »

It would be all about the tv advertising.
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2017, 05:26:28 PM »

Same idea as the NFL.  Constant stoppages for penalties etc and advert breaks.  60 minute game takes about 3.5 to 4 hours.  It is different kind of game with more natural stoppages eg downs but still.

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Fucking stupid to even start discussing it.
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2017, 05:42:44 PM »

If it happens. Fuck football.

Hopefully the non league will retain sanity. :like:
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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2017, 10:27:32 AM »

Hopefully the only having captain talk to the ref will pay off. I'm all for the refs getting the kind of respect they do in rugby, hope it cuts down on some of the whiney "gamesmanship " that makes so many pro footballers look like pussies.
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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2017, 10:34:08 AM »

More advert breaks

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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2017, 10:35:09 AM »

I'm for the idea but it should be longer than 30 minutes. 35 maybe.

I think in the prem the ball is only in play for about 25 mins per half, so 30 is plenty


I think it's a good idea  :like:
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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2017, 10:49:41 AM »


What do you think Skys going to do with a break in play?

Yeah, stick an advert on because they know when the ref will restart.

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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2017, 10:54:55 AM »

The ref is in charge of restarting play, whether the clock is running or not
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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2017, 10:59:05 AM »

The ref is in charge of restarting play, whether the clock is running or not

You do realise SKy tell a ref when to kick off now?

Money talks .
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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2017, 10:59:56 AM »

If they wanted to have in play adverts they would have already done it. After a goal etc
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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2017, 11:05:19 AM »

If they wanted to have in play adverts they would have already done it. After a goal etc

The difference is they will have control if this comes in.

Very naive Matty. 
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2017, 11:12:05 AM »

Who will? The ref? He has control anyway
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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2017, 11:14:11 AM »

Who will? The ref? He has control anyway

ffs Sky tell the ref when to kick off, they will tell him when to restart when this comes in.

When they pay billions it will happen.
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2017, 11:16:19 AM »

So why don't they already have adverts after a goal?
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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2017, 11:19:03 AM »

So why don't they already have adverts after a goal?



When stoppages become regular then it becomes much easier to sell adverts .

Take a look at American football.
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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2017, 11:20:22 AM »

So they don't do it after a goal because they can't get anyone to advertise?
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« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2017, 11:21:22 AM »

So they don't do it after a goal because they can't get anyone to advertise?

Because adverts are sold up front. No good for a 0 0.
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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2017, 11:24:49 AM »

I think you're clutching at straws now lad


How do they sell adverts for after a wicket in cricket? What if there aren't any?
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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2017, 11:25:52 AM »

I think you're clutching at straws now lad


How do they sell adverts for after a wicket in cricket? What if there aren't any?

Plenty of stoppages in 8 hours of cricket.  :alf: :alf:

Good proof for my argument about Sky advertising.  :like:
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« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2017, 01:28:23 PM »

I'm for the idea but it should be longer than 30 minutes. 35 maybe.

I think in the prem the ball is only in play for about 25 mins per half, so 30 is plenty


I think it's a good idea  :like:

It's a shit idea.

Always follow the money.  NFL is a cash cow because of advertising.  Give Sky (and others) even a tiny chance to make more money and they will be in like a shot exploiting it.  All the broadcasters including cable are shitting themselves about online TV.  Sport is one area they can currently cling to for making money.

Yes - in theory now the ref adds back on "lost" time.  But they don't do they?  If it moves to a "clock is stopped" approach they will break for an ad or two and then give the ref the green light to carry on.  You see it in other stop/start sports as well like Basketball.
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« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2017, 01:52:16 PM »

I'm for the idea but it should be longer than 30 minutes. 35 maybe.

I think in the prem the ball is only in play for about 25 mins per half, so 30 is plenty


I think it's a good idea  :like:

It's a shit idea.

Always follow the money.  NFL is a cash cow because of advertising.  Give Sky (and others) even a tiny chance to make more money and they will be in like a shot exploiting it.  All the broadcasters including cable are shitting themselves about online TV.  Sport is one area they can currently cling to for making money.

Yes - in theory now the ref adds back on "lost" time.  But they don't do they?  If it moves to a "clock is stopped" approach they will break for an ad or two and then give the ref the green light to carry on.  You see it in other stop/start sports as well like Basketball.

So why don't they do it now after a goal eh? EH?!

You're not going to suddenly have adverts at every throw in and free kick just because the clock is stopped for 8 seconds.

Football isn't a stop/start sport. Quick throw ins and free kicks are an important part of the game. To suggest that they are going to change the very nature of the sport to fit in some adverts is a borderline Plaz theory 

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« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2017, 02:05:13 PM »

I'm for the idea but it should be longer than 30 minutes. 35 maybe.

I think in the prem the ball is only in play for about 25 mins per half, so 30 is plenty


I think it's a good idea  :like:

It's a shit idea.

Always follow the money.  NFL is a cash cow because of advertising.  Give Sky (and others) even a tiny chance to make more money and they will be in like a shot exploiting it.  All the broadcasters including cable are shitting themselves about online TV.  Sport is one area they can currently cling to for making money.

Yes - in theory now the ref adds back on "lost" time.  But they don't do they?  If it moves to a "clock is stopped" approach they will break for an ad or two and then give the ref the green light to carry on.  You see it in other stop/start sports as well like Basketball.

So why don't they do it now after a goal eh? EH?!

You're not going to suddenly have adverts at every throw in and free kick just because the clock is stopped for 8 seconds.

Football isn't a stop/start sport. Quick throw ins and free kicks are an important part of the game. To suggest that they are going to change the very nature of the sport to fit in some adverts is a borderline Plaz theory 



It's not likely at every single time the ball goes out of play - that's just silly hyperbole to try to win an argument.

Can easily see them taking advantage of some stoppages though.  Free kicks they will chuck in ad while they set up the wall etc.  Subs.  After a goal.  Before a penalty is taken.  Refs decisions and stoppages on stuff will increase. 

They don't do it now because the clock is always ticking and, even your cat would agree, they don't add back that lost time.  Plus they need to fit into TV schedules. 

One would need to be very naive and a bit of a muppet to not think money is behind this.  If FIFA proposes or approves something yes it is always because of money.  World cup in Qatar?  130 degrees?  Why yes - please sign here.

Fuck tradition, fuck the fans, fuck common sense - gimme more moolah.  That's the modern way - to focus on the price of everything and ignore the value of anything.



Plus - I think its a shit idea so therefore it is a shit idea.  I has spoke.

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« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2017, 02:15:32 PM »

They have a standard add on time of 30 secs for a sub. Could have an advert there if they wanted. Same for a goal if they wanted.

Now fuck off. FOOTY AINT GRIDIRON. 
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« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2017, 02:28:14 PM »

They have a standard add on time of 30 secs for a sub. Could have an advert there if they wanted. Same for a goal if they wanted.

Now fuck off. FOOTY AINT GRIDIRON. 

But it will be Matty.  it will be.

When the New World Order completely takes over.

Beware of mind control.

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« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2017, 02:31:22 PM »

You will end up with 4 15min quarters

And coaches time outs..

Clock stops for substitutions

A 3 hr extravaganda same as in the states..

And the chances of any input from supporters groups

Remain at ZERO..

Suck it up you Premier fans..

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« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2017, 02:32:22 PM »

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« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2017, 04:37:53 PM »

Its funny watching Lefty Matty defending Sky.  :alf:

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« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2017, 04:40:42 PM »

Not like you to miss the point completely. Must be the sun  monkey
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« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2017, 04:41:56 PM »

Not like you to miss the point completely. Must be the sun  monkey

I get you are an hypocrite very well.  :alf:
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« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2017, 04:43:31 PM »

Mido line #7 out of 11
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« Reply #33 on: June 18, 2017, 04:45:57 PM »

Truth never goes out of fashion.  :alf:
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« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2017, 04:46:36 PM »

Truth never goes out of fashion.  :alf:

Neither does double denim in Loftus  jc
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« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2017, 04:49:36 PM »

Truth never goes out of fashion.  :alf:

Neither does double denim in Loftus  jc

Or Burqas in Mattys neighbourhood.  :alf:
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« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2017, 04:50:33 PM »

Few burqas on the barbie round here  :beer:
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« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2017, 04:51:21 PM »

Few burqas on the barbie round here  :beer:

Halal only.  charles
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« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2017, 05:25:51 PM »

This 30 min half thing will never happen, it will kill the game stone dead .
Far too big of a change
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« Reply #39 on: June 19, 2017, 03:39:35 PM »

This 30 min half thing will never happen, it will kill the game stone dead .
Far too big of a change


That was my first thought. Can't see it happening.
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« Reply #40 on: June 19, 2017, 05:13:57 PM »

Another example of Mido talking absolute shit about tv despite not having the first clue of what he's talking about. Sky sell a product, they need that product to be good to keep subscription up so ruining the flow of a game a couple of adverts is never going to happen.

Watch sky F1 coverage, not a single ad break from when the grand prix starts. Adverts are regularly dropped or pushed back because on site scenes are too good to lose over an ad.

Also broadcasters dictate when the kick off time is because 550 million people worldwide watch the Premier league, most territories run their own show and join when the action starts. We need to communicate with all these broadcasters and the kick off time is agreed before the game so everyone knows where to aim. It's very rare kick offs are delayed for production reasons.
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