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1  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Mike Tyson comeback on: May 07, 2020, 09:48:17 AM
He stands no chance at the top level. It's one thing looking sharp on the pads. But the guy is 53 he won't have the stamina and the reflexes to hang for more than a round or two.
2  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: OLYMPICS POSTPONED 👍 on: March 23, 2020, 01:39:39 PM
It will be postponed though
The government out here were discussing the issue.
Canada and now Australia have already pulled out.

My new apartment is in one of the main Olympic event areas, so it suits me just fine if I don't have to worry about loads of infected tourists.
 :steptoe:
3  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: sobering graphs - gunna get ugly on: March 22, 2020, 12:35:30 PM
Another key factor may be the Japanese rarely touch each other
 No handshaking. No public displays of affection etc. Etc

Whereas Italy is probably somewhat a polar opposite
4  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: sobering graphs - gunna get ugly on: March 22, 2020, 12:09:14 PM
It is odd how low the figures are for Japan
Elderly population.
High population density.
They are notorious for battling on through sickness at the office.
Packed trains.
Lots of trade with China
Add to that the government accidentally allowed a lot of infected people off a ship about a month back.

And yet relatively low numbers. Though, it wouldn't surprise me if the government is suppressing the actual figures out here


Unless wearing surgical masks is more effective than first thought. As it is a big cultural thing to at least wear a mask when you are sick over here.

They are just starting to discuss social distancing out here. But the view in the media out here is, if you are under 70 there's no need to be overly concerned.

I guess it's just if you don't feel on top form, it's probably best to give a visit to your old folks a miss
5  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Tyson Fury doping scandal on: March 16, 2020, 02:03:21 PM
I like Fury, but come on, the HW Division is in the worst state it's been for decades.

Wilder is a prime example of how poor the division is.

Tyson from 17 to 25 would destroy Fury with ease.

Body shots would be a major factor in the beating of fury.


You may now say Tyson wouldn't get inside of Fury with his reach. Tyson was capable of getting inside all men bigger than himself.

Did Mike Tyson destroy 6'5" Tony Tucker with ease? That was the best big man he fought prior to his loss to Buster Douglas.

I honestly think Fury would be just too big for him

Steve Cunningham, the small guy who gave Fury his toughest fight, still had 5 inches on Mike

To give you another example, there was 8cm difference between Canelo and Kovalev

There would be over 25cm+ between Mike and Fury. As people have pointed out above, it's wishful thinking ...
6  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Tyson Fury doping scandal on: March 15, 2020, 03:30:57 PM
Iron Mike might have struggled with Fury's height

The difference in height between Tyson and Fury is bigger than that between Haye and Valuev
7  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: deaths by country on: March 15, 2020, 12:12:49 AM
I suspect the Japanese government is under-reporting.

During the great earthquake in 2011, I was living in a guest house with a woman who worked for one of the major news organizations, and she was quite open that the media is expected to tow the government line, especially in cases of possible national emergency.

Tokyo 2020 in jeopardy, this would surely qualify.

A country with an awful lot of Chinese nationals, with flights constantly to and from China, well-known for its high population density and its aging population only have 17 deaths?!

No that looks to be a bull shit number.

I also have friend working in hospitals, and some major hospitals are not allowing new patients because of the Corona virus risk infecting existing patients.

Also Japan had the lowest number of COVID-19 tests per capita among the major countries...
8  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Priti Patel attacked by the Home Office grey suits on: March 04, 2020, 10:53:29 PM
Just out of curiousity are elements of the public supportive of this strong woman of colour?
9  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Wilders excuse on: February 25, 2020, 04:44:24 PM
I hope they don't do the rematch straight away. There's more interesting fights for Fury out there. 

Give it a couple of years when Wilder has rebuilt himself.

 

He'll be 36 by then Steve, I think his time has gone.

Fair point. Fury will just have to beat him up again this summer and take on AJ in December then. Let's hope AJ doesn't lose to Pulev and scupper it.



Might be wishful thinking, as I can't see Usyk not pushing the issue if they try to delay him any longer; the WBO mandatory is due.
Though it would work for Joshua's time line, if Wilder is in September October as Arum is saying, that won't give Fury long.
Then WBC Mando will be due Feb 2021.
I think we will have to wait til Summer 2021 for the undisputed fight.
10  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Wilders excuse on: February 25, 2020, 03:48:43 PM
Wilder will see what AJ did in the rematch with Ruiz as his justification. AJ wasn't soundly beaten twice by Ruiz however and I can only see Fury schooling him for a third and final time.

I suppose it's one last $40m payday for Wilder before retiring.


It's exactly this.
Wilder/PBC/Hayman/Finkel have always been playing a leverage game to get as much money as possible out of the Joshua fight.

They have come unstuck. As unlikely as it looks right now that Wilder can beat Fury.  They will be praying he somehow lands the right. If it doesn't work out, he is not going to get any bigger pay day going forward than 40% he will get for Fury 3

It wouldn't surprise me if Matchroom were to give him a shot when he doesn't hold a belt, they offer him 25% or less.

So yeah, PBC don't give a fuck, they want that cash
Their actions have been at the expense of boxing fans for a number of years now.
11  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: WELL DONE FURY.!!! on: February 24, 2020, 08:01:09 AM
What’s this bullshit about Joshua ducking Fury? Idiots.

I got told he had by two of his training staff in the Mitre pub in Barnet, just up the road from his gym.

Behave ffs. They offered Fury the fight at Wembley last April and Fury turned it down. Flooded with casual fucking idiots this place.

I know what I was told and I know who told it to me. I also know you are a cunt.

I saw things a bit differently to you two:
No one gave Fury much of a chance against Wilder at that stage of his come back. Joshua was in a lose-lose situation if he had fought Fury at that stage.  He is held to a far higher standard than Wilder with his string of soft defences.

Heaven/Joshua expected to do a deal with Wilder for Wembley April date.
Fury having come through the Wilder fight with a controversial draw set both of them up for a lucrative rematch.
Joshua wanted one of the two.
Wilder was never interested, and was happy to rematch Fury.
Fury wanted 50-50 against Joshua, understandably.
Joshua was not willing to pay that, understandably.

Think now if/when the undisputed happens it will be at 50-50, or close to that


12  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Deontay Wilder v Tyson Fury on: February 23, 2020, 12:08:38 PM
I suspect Fury will try to box on the outside circling to a decision. Only trouble is it puts him in the range of Wilder's long straight rights.

Saying that Wilder likes to wait for his opponent to stand in front of him, or be led onto his right. He sits back in a wide stance quite often. But can't really fight on the back foot.

I'd quite like to see Fury put his head on Wilders chest. I don't think Wilder has any kind of inside game. And if Fury is legitimately looking to get a stoppage.  I think that might be his best bet from man handling him on the inside like he did Cunningham.
But getting to the inside is a dangerous game

That's what I'm talking about    :chrisk:
you also talked about that, not really incisive to give two or three options, that's like backing a team to win lose and draw.

Quiet you, let me enjoy my moment.  mcl
well I said he'd win, (by points) so i'll celebrate as well.

 :lids:
13  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: WELL DONE FURY.!!! on: February 23, 2020, 12:07:49 PM
I'm not sure confident of that. Fury said he expected the rematch when back I. His locker room.

Plus the Pro-PBC youtubers and fans are already running with a narrative of Wilder having a leg injury going into the fight.

Plus did you see the face on Mauricio when Fury was awarded the belt.  cry
14  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Deontay Wilder v Tyson Fury on: February 23, 2020, 12:02:13 PM
I suspect Fury will try to box on the outside circling to a decision. Only trouble is it puts him in the range of Wilder's long straight rights.

Saying that Wilder likes to wait for his opponent to stand in front of him, or be led onto his right. He sits back in a wide stance quite often. But can't really fight on the back foot.

I'd quite like to see Fury put his head on Wilders chest. I don't think Wilder has any kind of inside game. And if Fury is legitimately looking to get a stoppage.  I think that might be his best bet from man handling him on the inside like he did Cunningham.
But getting to the inside is a dangerous game

That's what I'm talking about    :chrisk:
you also talked about that, not really incisive to give two or three options, that's like backing a team to win lose and draw.

Quiet you, let me enjoy my moment.  mcl
15  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Deontay Wilder v Tyson Fury on: February 23, 2020, 11:39:55 AM
I suspect Fury will try to box on the outside circling to a decision. Only trouble is it puts him in the range of Wilder's long straight rights.

Saying that Wilder likes to wait for his opponent to stand in front of him, or be led onto his right. He sits back in a wide stance quite often. But can't really fight on the back foot.

I'd quite like to see Fury put his head on Wilders chest. I don't think Wilder has any kind of inside game. And if Fury is legitimately looking to get a stoppage.  I think that might be his best bet from man handling him on the inside like he did Cunningham.
But getting to the inside is a dangerous game

That's what I'm talking about    :chrisk:
16  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: FURY NEARLY 20 CLEM !!! on: February 22, 2020, 10:50:23 AM
Dunno how much can be taken from that. The British fighter usually pulls the better crowd at the weigh in.
I seem to remember hearing Mayweather got booed when he weighed in against Hatton.
17  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: New immigration laws on: February 20, 2020, 05:27:12 PM
Luckily for us English is the international ligua franca
So we can carry on speaking slowly and loudly at the natives as if to a child
18  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Deontay Wilder v Tyson Fury on: February 20, 2020, 11:40:44 AM
Well that is Fury officially fucked
 souey

Judges
Glenn Feldman
Dave Moretti
Steve Weisfeld

Referee
Kenny Bayless

All American
Those are the judges from Canelo Vs GGG
Kenny Bayless is the guy who waved off the Ortiz rematch even though he beat the 10 count and would have got a minute recovery in his corner at the end of the 7th in the last Wilder fight

Fuck me...

Let's hope Arum has deeper pockets than Hayman

The English judge scored it a draw last time and the Canadian scored it for Fury.

Don't the fighters have a say in who the judges are? I know they have done in the past.

Loyalty to TV networks is more of a worry than nationality I reckon and now Fury has a huge deal with Top Rank, going to the scorecards is not so much of a worry. Hopefully.    

Well I would say that there is no love lost between the Furys and BBBoC, another way to look at it would be that the British judge didn't want to score against Wilder. But you are correct the problem was with the (likely corrupt) card of Rochin, a Mexican judge with little experience of heavy weight fights they drafted in.

I agree though that Fury's move to Vegas was to try and get a fair shake as he established himself as the Vegas fighter. Still when I see the names Morretti and Feldman alongside each other I get extremely suspicious that the fix is in.

So the question is, who are they there to fix it for?
19  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Deontay Wilder v Tyson Fury on: February 19, 2020, 11:32:34 PM
Well that is Fury officially fucked
 souey

Judges
Glenn Feldman
Dave Moretti
Steve Weisfeld

Referee
Kenny Bayless

All American
Those are the judges from Canelo Vs GGG
Kenny Bayless is the guy who waved off the Ortiz rematch even though he beat the 10 count and would have got a minute recovery in his corner at the end of the 7th in the last Wilder fight

Fuck me...

Let's hope Arum has deeper pockets than Hayman
20  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Deontay Wilder v Tyson Fury on: February 18, 2020, 04:28:41 AM
I can’t see Fury going for the knock out, it’s all just mind games, I think Wilder will come out swinging early and catch Fury early, I Hope I’m wrong mind.

Think as above that is partly why there is a change in trainer.  He needs Wilder to think he has the ability to sit down on his shots. 
21  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Deontay Wilder v Tyson Fury on: February 17, 2020, 06:16:12 PM
I suspect Fury will try to box on the outside circling to a decision. Only trouble is it puts him in the range of Wilder's long straight rights.

Saying that Wilder likes to wait for his opponent to stand in front of him, or be led onto his right. He sits back in a wide stance quite often. But can't really fight on the back foot.

I'd quite like to see Fury put his head on Wilders chest. I don't think Wilder has any kind of inside game. And if Fury is legitimately looking to get a stoppage.  I think that might be his best bet from man handling him on the inside like he did Cunningham. But getting to the inside is a dangerous game
22  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Braithewaite to Barcelona on: February 17, 2020, 01:28:57 PM
A mate just messaged me about this story in the Spanish papers.

Amusing eye for talent we seem to have
23  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: ASSOMBOLONGA..... on: February 12, 2020, 12:03:03 PM
It was obvious when we originally signed him he wasn't the player to fit our system. But now you'd think either we or he would have adapted
24  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Ben Gibson on: February 12, 2020, 12:01:05 PM
Don't begrudge him the original move. The club had wasted a lot of money, and he had a chance to play at a higher level.  It's not like we have proved him wrong.

I wouldn't have any issue with him coming back
25  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Why are so many still in denial about why Labour lost the election on: February 12, 2020, 11:41:26 AM
Well I would think now for better or worse the people are more engaged in politics. If people want to elect a more socialist government next time round so be it.

I'm curious about arguments for keeping the left together. By moving labour to the middle ground they would naturally pull in votes from the left.  By surrendering the middle ground they leave it open to the conservatives.

It would make more sense to me to keep the moderate New Labour, and form another party, let's call it momentum, to attract the vote of those further to the left with a progressive agenda.

Would it be an impossibility to form a government as a coalition of the left? Though it might be difficult to push through radical change with multiple stakeholders.
26  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Why are so many still in denial about why Labour lost the election on: February 12, 2020, 06:01:44 AM
Whilst I understand Corbyn's manifesto might not appeal to the traditional workclass vote, I keep hearing this refrain, that the primary reason they lost the election was down to Corbyn and the media. And wasn't down to ignoring the Brexit vote in the traditional labour heartlands, like our own.
 souey

I was at an international conference at the weekend where my friend and presenter (who is a New Labour Remain voter) was answering questions from American academics about neoliberalism in academia. My jaw hit the floor when he segwayed into his thoughts on the outcome of the last election, and proceeded to inform the international audience why Labour's progressive (=good) manifesto was rejected by the working class,
 especially those in the traditional labour seats. 

His view was that neoliberalism has brain washed the working class into voting against their own interests, and the other big reason they didn't embrace Labour's anti-neoliberal manifesto was due to Corbyn (and the media smear campaign). He even gave an anecdote that his friends who canvassed for the labour party back home (Nottingham) were told on the door step that traditional labour voters didn't like Corbyn as leader and so would be voting Tory (the neoliberal party as he put it). Not a word on Brexit...
 

I put it to him and the others in a small group discussion after the presentation, that we cannot ignore the strength of feeling over Brexit, and that given the EU is an exercise in neoliberal governance, that it could be argued that the Brexit vote was a rejection of neoliberalism by the working class. So it wasn't as simple as saying Tory are the neoliberal party, and the progressive party of Labour are the anti-neoliberal party. I think the response from the openly progressive Americans could best described as "getting the cold shoulder"
 :grace:

Is this a thing now, are we going to pretend that as bad as Corbyn may have been for some, that Brexit wasn't the primary issue of the last election?
27  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: "A lot of sausages just say what comes into their head." on: February 10, 2020, 06:17:25 PM
Isn't that how speech normally works? 

 charles
28  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: TV Licence on: February 05, 2020, 02:36:52 PM
Does the BBC still buy half of the total print circulation of the Guardian Newspaper for its offices?


29  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Boxing: Ring Magazine Heavyweight rankings on: February 04, 2020, 03:32:20 AM
I could be here all day correcting all the fucking nonsense on this thread. You know it's bad when Coulby is talking the most sense.

Only one way to know...
I mean it is a forum, and more than happy to be shot down by a knowledgeable voice on the subject.
30  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Today is palindromic! on: February 02, 2020, 05:33:34 PM
It was 2-2-2 in Japan, as the calendar reset last year.
31  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Boxing: Ring Magazine Heavyweight rankings on: February 02, 2020, 12:31:51 PM
I'm leaning toward what Bob says above. Though I'm not sure their belt is irrelevant, but their rankings are certainly damaging their legacy.

Take Pulev for example, he is ranked top ten by both Boxrec and PBO, which use objecting algorithm based rankings.

Yet he doesn't feature in the Ring top 10.

Whether he has a fan friendly style or not, I would personally expect to see him around 8/9/10. He dealt with Chisora far more efficiently than Whyte did; he dealt with Hughie Fury far better than Parker did. As Hatman likes to say styles make fights, but he generally does similar or better against mutual opponents than his peers who have been included in the top 10. Add to that Whyte openly ducked him, as the risk was too high for the reward of an IBF title shot, and so chose a money fight against Parker instead.

Some might argue Pulev has done little since his single loss to Klitschko, but what he has done, he has done with a boring efficiency that would justify a top 10 position before fighters like Kownacki and Hunter.



For me, it really feels like The Ring magazine are propping up the American fight scene with that list.  As well as subtlely puffing up Wilder's resume, whilst at the same time discrediting Joshua.

Before the first Joshua Ruiz Jr. fight, Joshua was @1. Now following the rematch, Joshua is @3 and Ruiz Jr. is @6, and yet Ortiz whose legacy will be losing twice to Wilder is @5. Ruiz at least beat Joshua when he was ranked #1. These ratings make no sense...unless...
32  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Boxing: Ring Magazine Heavyweight rankings on: February 02, 2020, 02:32:19 AM
What are people's thoughts on ring magazine?

Still to be respected as an subjective assessment of the relative talents of fighters beyond their objective records, or a magazine being used to prop up the American fight scene?

@C  Vacant
@1   Fury
@2   Wilder
@3   Joshua
@4   Whyte
@5   Ortiz
@6   Ruiz
@7   Povetkin
@8   Parker
@9   Hunter
@10 Kownacki


This is their number 5:
https://youtu.be/GMIQ5F4cfR4

33  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Coronavirus on: January 29, 2020, 01:48:03 PM
Can't say people are overly concerned here in Japan
34  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: FAO Jake on: January 20, 2020, 04:47:06 PM
Be safe
35  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Jake - Whyte v Ruiz jr!?! on: January 20, 2020, 04:42:44 PM
Would be a good fight, but doubt it gets made for March
Think they'll go with Whyte Povetkin
Povetkin gets a pay day, and Whyte gets Povetkin's name on his resume before it loses value



Povetkin just had a respectable draw with Hunter, he's certainly still a top 10 heavyweight (if a dirty fucking drug cheat).
Ruiz jr would be a better name on the resume but Povetkin is no tin can.

Yeah I watched the Hunter fight. Think age has caught up with Povetkin. Hunter's camp targetted Povetkin for a reason. The guy is 40

He's no tin can, but Povetkin will struggle against most of the top 10 now.  And I imagine a lot of the top 20 will be eager to get a shot at him

There will be chances for Whyte to face Ruiz Jr. later down the line if Ruiz wants it. But right now I think he will cost too much to get in the ring (following the massive Joshua pay day) and it would seem like a low reward high risk fight for Whyte.

Whyte - Povetkin can probably still headline a PPV, just. And as Whyte said, Povetkin comes to fight.
36  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: the political compass test. on: January 20, 2020, 04:27:51 PM
Another for Ghandi
37  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Jake - Whyte v Ruiz jr!?! on: January 19, 2020, 02:11:24 AM
Looks a possibility for March, should be quite a good dust up that. Both men come to fight. I think Whyte (birdie num num) will win on points if it happens.

Think it'll happen?


It'll only happen if Hearn is convinced Ruiz won't get himself into some sort of respectable condition.

As you say, Points win for Whyte.

What I do know is the latest talk of Hearn & Joshua fucking off the Mandatories & Fighting Whyte next is bollocks. Joshua will be Fighting Pulev next. I've said that since the week of the Saudi Fight.

I don't mind the WBO stripping AJ if it opens up the division a bit, too much protectionism going on with Wilder and Joshua.
Loads of good heavyweights now need to be in the mix, Whyte, Uysek, Kownacki, Dubios and of course Ruiz jr.




Yeah I think Joshua needs to either relinquish the WBO or be stripped.
As bad as Wilder/WBC is, Joshua needed to keep winning to be able to fulfill his mandatory responsibilities. He didn't

Instead 2019 involved him cancelling the Wembley date and extending his usual 6 month break to 9 (that's ridiculous as a 4 belt champion), then losing to a voluntary opponent, then locking the new champion into a contractual rematch...

He looks as though he plans to fight Pulev for the IBF in summer 2020.
He won the WBO in March 2018
The last WBO mandated title defence was Hughie Fury against Joseph Parker in September 2017

Time for the WBO to force the issue
38  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Jake - Whyte v Ruiz jr!?! on: January 19, 2020, 02:02:03 AM
Would be a good fight, but doubt it gets made for March
Think they'll go with Whyte Povetkin
Povetkin gets a pay day, and Whyte gets Povetkin's name on his resume before it loses value

39  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Cops on: January 02, 2020, 03:24:33 PM
:chrisk:
40  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Another meltdown on: January 01, 2020, 03:21:44 PM
Quite liked Coluka. He often added balance to discussions. Hopesoboro as I recall won't have a bad word said about the club. Their loss I guess.
41  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: Film, book and album of the decade: on: January 01, 2020, 08:00:24 AM
Film : 12 years a slave
or
Avengers: End Game

Boxer: Andre Ward
42  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: The witcher on: December 24, 2019, 05:13:54 AM
I thought it was a comic

I think it was originally a series of novels
But the video game series has made it popular internationally
43  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: The witcher on: December 23, 2019, 06:04:56 PM
How does it connect to the games?
44  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: This sums it all up... on: December 14, 2019, 11:55:08 AM
Is he missing a lens?
45  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: seriously what do Labour need to do? on: December 13, 2019, 02:10:22 PM



That is one hell of post  :like: Take a bow son!

That last one cracked me up.


Very well put.

But please don't think anyone with a left agenda got past the first paragraph.

You are quite right.
I'm not the best listener myself, but there is too much talking not enough listening.


You are an immigrant though  monkey

Technically I'm an emigrant
mcl
46  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: seriously what do Labour need to do? on: December 13, 2019, 09:38:05 AM
Perhaps they should be "The BRITISH Labour Party" rather than "The INTERNATIONALIST Labour Party"

Stop accusing everyone that disagrees with their internationalist approach as racist, when the reality is Britain is one of the most accepting countries in the world when it comes to other cultures that make some effort to assimilate. They should try living in Asia. Hell they should try living in Australia.

Get past this idea that equality always means both lifting up some whilst dragging back others. For example if a woman of any creed or colour is the best person for the job, that's great, not that we need to encourage white men to take a step back (as Jess Phillips believes). How about just trying to lift up the people at the bottom.

Be honest about the NHS and why there are "cuts" at the same time as record spend. The elephant in the room is immigration, not an aging population.

Keep popular core policies. Most people would probably get behind the idea of a living wage or nationalising natural monopolies such as the rail network. Less so with attacking the idea of property rights. Perhaps recognize we currently live in a neoliberal world. Keynesian policies are one thing...continually trying to buy votes by throwing theoretical money at social justice issues time and again is not going to make them look fiscally responsible.

But most of all focus on the working man and woman, and put to one side the extreme social justice purity movements within the party. The majority of their support are obviously going to be white working class men and women, you can support minorities without lambasting the historically native population.

Simply put, I think the party needs to decide if it wants to be centrist (which is still on the left from the perspective of most Brits) or be an actual left-wing party (which is way too extreme for your average moderate Britain).

But I'm not a labour voter, so what do I know
 :pd:

47  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: LABOUR ARE F@CKED !!! on: December 13, 2019, 05:21:25 AM
Getting a bit spicy in Kensington
Conservatives won by 150 seats
The labour supported stated yelling "shame shame shame"
 
48  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: LABOUR ARE F@CKED !!! on: December 13, 2019, 05:08:33 AM
Corbyn has announced this will be his last election as leader
49  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Jo Swinson lost her seat on: December 13, 2019, 04:45:34 AM
Oh dear, there goes the Lib Dem leader
50  ComeOnBoro.com / ComeOnBoro.com Message Board / Re: STOCKTON SOUTH on: December 13, 2019, 04:34:35 AM
Yeah it was close, but I think the Brexit party is more a protest vote for those that were never going to vote conservative, but are pissed at Labours stance on Brexit
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